Glasgow Rangers fans conduct a campaign of intimidation — report

Glasgow Rangers

Rangers, the Glasgow football club, has had a torrid couple of seasons off the pitch, culminating in a spectacular implosion that forced it into administration in February.

In a lengthy blog post today, Channel 4 reporter Alex Thomson highlights a particularly disturbing aspect of the ongoing disaster: what he describes as a campaign of intimidation by Rangers fans aimed at those who have challenged the stricken club.

Although more a summary than an independent investigation, Thomson does a powerful job of explaining the underbelly of Scottish football – and he reveals the culture of threats ‘is getting worse’.

Thomson has personal experience of his subject: he wrote the foreword to Downfall, so far the only book on the crisis, and was, he says, rewarded with a barrage of abuse.

Downfall’s publisher, Frontline Noir, describes ‘pressure applied’ to discourage shops from stocking the title – while some stockists have reported fans screaming at staff for stocking copies according to Thomson.

And in a spectacular reverse ferret, the Sun announced and then cancelled a serialisation of Downfall, faced with complaints and threats considered so serious the police were called in.

This isn’t the only recent incident that has required police attention.

The head of the Scottish Football Association, Stewart Regan, consulted counterterrorism police after he claimed he had received death threats from diehard Rangers fans. Other Scottish Football Association directors had their addresses published online.

The three members of a tribunal that slammed Rangers for ‘bringing the game into disrepute’ also saw their addresses published, and again the police were brought in to advise them on security.

All of this casts the media reporting that has taken place – at both national and local level, in the business and sports sections –  in a new light.

Thomson’s own reporting has included revealing a network of offshore transactions that brought the club to the taxman’s attention. And the wheelings and dealings of majority shareholder Craig Whyte have come under forensic attention from Thomson, Private Eye’s financial maven City Slicker, and others.

The NUJ Scotland is aware of 25 journalists who have ‘been threatened for telling the truth about Rangers’, Thomson says – and he wryly admits he has become used to the abuse himself. For local reporters, the threats may be far more plausible.

And even for a national reporter, writing a post like today’s takes courage. Little of what he reveals will surprise anyone in Glasgow, Thomson points out – yet from the outside this is an attack on freedom of speech so drastic that you would hardly believe it could exist in modern-day Britain.

Read Threats and silence: the intimidation by Rangers fans

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240 Comments

  1. Sprotson says:

    Not one claim made by Alex Thomson has been substantiated, yet his claims are reproduced here.

    What happened to Journalism in this country?

    • Patrick says:

      Proper investigative journalism has to come from outside Scotland.

      A sad indictment of the society we live in. Its dominated by more sinister versions of the types referred to in Alex Thomson’s excellent report.

      • Mark Falconer says:

        “excellent report”? It’s full of the lies of a discredited journalist – who’s continued alledged threats have been investiagted by the police and found to be untrue,.

    • blueoutthedome says:

      What a load of nonsense the police looked into claims from Alex Thomson and found nothing there was nothing to report, the Thomson fellow has a agenda against Rangers and it is getting well out of hand .

      • swizzledeedee says:

        Yes that’s it, this guy has nothing better to do than make up random stories about Rangers. You’ve definitely sussed him out.

  2. The Truth says:

    Alex Thomson ii an arse he is a bigot a hater of all things Rangers. And yes a typical reporter saying he is getting threats when he speaks with forked toungue.
    All his references to threats like the rest of his kind have been investigated and guess what nobody has been charged. Because it is all propoganda

    • Bruce says:

      Why would an English journalist with absolutely no previous interest in Rangers, or Scotland for that matter, be a bigot and a hater of all things Rangers?

      Is it because that’s the only response that Rangers provokes from reasonable people?

      • Betty says:

        Perhaps because he gets a bit upset at Rangers fans for calling him Damien Day.

      • VoiceofReason says:

        Maybe because he get’s his stories from Phil Mac-3-names, the confirmed Rangers hating sectarian bigot ?

        • Bruce says:

          Ah, that explains it all. He gets his stories exclusively from Phil! So Rangers didn’t go bust! So there is no FTT. Rangers paid all its taxes. And they’re still playing in the SPL. The last 8 months has only happened in Phil’s fevered imagination, because its the only place Alex Thomson could have gotten the story.

          And that, folks, is how the nutter fringe of the The Rangers support really sees the world.

          • Betty says:

            Your club is made up of Celtic Football Club Ltd company no. (SC223604) which receives gate money and TV income employs and pays the wages of the players and other staff and Celtic plc (SC003487) who own the players. Guess why McCann set it up this way, its for tax avoidance purposes.

            Now I work and pay my taxes, why should a clubs like Rangers and Celtics be able to legally avoid paying taxes?

            You know if they paid their taxes they might not be able to afford to buy those big named players.

          • Bruce says:

            A great many businesses do what they can to legally minimise their tax payments. Its…er…legal and standard practice. I and pretty much every other self employed trader do the same. The ‘legal’ bit makes it okay, believe it or not. If you consider it morally wrong, get onto your MP and urge him or her to change the tax laws.

            ‘Now I work and pay my taxes, why should a clubs like Rangers and Celtics be able to legally avoid paying taxes?’

            If its legal, why shouldn’t they?

            But what Rangers (1872-2012) were doing wasn’t legal. They admitted guilt in the Wee Tax Case. They stole staff’s PAYE and NI and used it to fund the running of the club instead of paying it to HMRC. And HMRC insists that they operated EBT’s (a legal tax avoidance scheme) in an illegal manner. That’s why HMRC wanted the bill paid.

            ‘You know if they paid their taxes they might not be able to afford to buy those big named players’

            Celtic had one EBT for one of those big players and realised there was a problem with it. They contacted the tax man, voluntarily, and resolved the issue to HMRC’s satisfaction. There is simply no comparison between the conduct of Celtic and Rangers over this issue. To suggest there is merely reveals your ignorance of the subject.

          • Mark Falconer says:

            What “nutter fringe” have ever said that Rangers paid all its taxes – any evidence – anywhere – nope, thought so. PATHETIC.

          • Bruce says:

            Mark, look up. See that thing flying up there? That’s my point flying way over your head. Living in denial has that effect on you, I guess.

          • Betty says:

            Why you are choosing not to mention the criminal charges that are being brought against White and also Collyer Bristow for their roll in the non payment of PAYE and NI only you can say but a wee bit of deflection comes in handy when you are loosing an argument. The HMRC;s EBT decision has not yet been made.
            Celtic may only have had one EBT, but the different ways of using tax avoidance schemes throughout football, ALL come under the taxman’s microscope and are equally unfair eg Shunsuke Nakamura’s image rights.
            with all that is going on in the world today, I can live with the financial mismanagement at Rangers and still go to games, I would not still be supporting Celtic. Great credit has to be given to NCAA for the the way they separated Sandusky’s crimes from the even more severe crime of hiding the abuse and severely punishing the club itself. If only the SFA had had their good judgement.

          • Bruce says:

            No deflection. I choose not to mention it because they were in charge of Rangers. They were acting as Rangers. No one so far has suggested that they pocketed the money themselves. It was spent on keeping Rangers lurching from month to month. There’s a good chance there’ll be criminal charges levelled at Murray, but it was still Rangers.

            Whether something is unfair is irrelevent. Its whether its legal or not. No one has ever suggested that Naka’s contract was anything less than legal.

            So Rangers can cheat on their taxes and you can live with that, Celtic pay their taxes and you couldn’t live with that? Wow.

            Oh, wait, I see, you’re just another garden variety bigot. That explains it. Because only in the mind of a bigot would events at the NCAA have anything whatsoever to do with Celtic or Scottish football. You lot can never suppress your hatred for long, can you? But then I suspect you don’t even try.

          • Betty says:

            Do you really think comparing the admirable way NCAA dealt with Pennsylvania State University and how the SFA failed to make Celtic face up to their more serious crime makes me a bigot? Perhaps it depends on what values you measure yourself against.
            The fraud started BEFORE Whyte purchased the club as he did not have the money to buy the club in the first place. That’s what the charges are all about. You can try to deflect it any way you like but you cannot change the truth.
            When they were being used the EBT’s were as legal as Naka’s contract.
            Celtic only pay the taxes that they cannot structure into tax avoidance schemes, the same as any other business – lesson number 1 in business studies.

          • Bruce says:

            Celtic did not commit those crimes. They happened at Celtic boys club, which was not part of Celtic. Get your facts straight and don’t imagine your hatred is fooling anyone. You hypocritical bigot.

          • Bruce says:

            Oh and it doesn’t change the fact that Rangers stole its employees PAYE and defrauded HMRC after he bought the club. At which point, Whyte’s actions were Rangers’s actions. End of.

          • Betty says:

            You are missing the point completely.

            NCAA was not punishing the pedophile as a member of the University team, the courts did that, they were punishing the “conspiracy of silence” that operated for years. For “conspiracy of silence” read “open secret”.

            You can call me a hypocritical bigot if it helps you deal with it

            End of

          • Bruce says:

            No, I got your point completely. Its a smear on your part. But its nothing to do with Celtic. Its got nothing even to do with any form of Rangers, which is the subject of this page, but you couldn’t help sticking in the cheap, irrelevent smear.

            I suspect it somehow makes you feel better about the conduct of your own club. Pathetic, really.

            I don’t call you a hypocritical bigot for my sake. I call you a hypocrite and a bigot because its what you evidently are.

          • Betty says:

            You are burying your head in the sand. It was only when Fergus McCann, the man who would not cover it up, called in the police that the abuse finally came to an end ie the new owner of Celtic was not prepared to be complicit in Celtics “open secret”. This is well documented.

            All I am interested in is how differently the SFA has treated both teams and with peoples reaction to Penn State and the BBC’s role in the Jimmy Saville cover up it is not something which can easily be dismissed or brushed aside

            If this was about Celtic’s finances, I would listen to news items but I could never imagine wasting my life crawling all over a report about Celtic and I doubt this is the only one you are following. Perhaps you should get out more.

          • Bruce says:

            Abuse continued till McCann took over! That is a lie, but no less than we expect from an obsessed bigot like you.

            What interests me, though is the hypocrisy of yourself and the other Rangers supporters who keep coming out with this paedo drivel.

            You’re a hypocrite because all you have is crocodile tears. You don’t give a damn about Torbett’s victims, all you care about is using abuse to point score, even though Celtic Boys Club was not part of Celtic.

            You’re a hypocrite because you have a pop at Celtic and the BBC. But if the Saville incident shows anything it shows how widespread and toxic these situations are. The NHS and the police have been implicated in the Savile situation. The army has historically had a big problem with paedophiles. But do you call nurses, policemen and soldiers paedos? ‘Course you don’t. Because you’re selective in your fake moral outrage. In fact, I bet you’re like the bulk of the Rangers support that couldn’t wait to fly the flag and cheer the squaddies at every opportunity, while your club was cheating taxes.

            And for the record, I don’t think you should be calling Celtic, the BBC, nurses, police or soldiers paedos. You should reserve that for the scumbags who commit the crime. Penn Stare has no more relevance to Celtic than it has to the army.

            Calling you a hypocrite’s being being kind to you.

          • Betty says:

            You seem to be totally incapable of understanding the difference between the abuse and the more serious and less understandable crime of allowing the abuser to carry on abusing for whatever reason. There is absolutely NO excuse for that on this earth.

            The abuser is sick and needs help and he will only get that if as soon as any responsible person sees what is happening they report it to the police.

            Stein kicking him out but not reporting him after he heard what he was doing, bringing him back after Stein went, then McCann bringing in the police, was enough evidence in itself without Billy McNeil saying in court that it was an “open secret”.

          • Bruce says:

            I understand that you are an idiot who will perform any moral flip flop to justify just hatred of Celtic and, very likely, Catholics.

            Abusing children the less serious crime? Be serious. As for all your guff about Stein and Billy McNeill. Recollections in court decades after the fact are notoriously unreliable, contradictory and self serving, no matter how well intentioned. Good luck trying to get a conviction on them. In these situations, there’s always the necessity of proof. Imagine people got convicted or even sacked on gossip and suspicion. Paedophiles are notoriously adept at covering their tracks and denying proof. You say no one at Celtic reported Torbett. Are you 100% certain of that?

            You’ve compared Torbett with what you fantasis happened at Celtic – then declared Celtic’s the greater crime. You compared Rangers tax fraud with Celtic’s tax affairs then declared Celtic’s is worst. All your interested in us twisting everything to have a pop at Celtic. Which is to be expected from a bigot like you.

            So lets play your game. Which is worse – Celtic ‘covering up’ for Torbett or the Army covering up for the many paedophiles that have been in its ranks? Is your pitiful little head hurting yet?

          • Betty says:

            Could you stop an alcoholic being an alcoholic? They will drink and drink till they have lost their job, house, family and friends. Go around the city street during the night you will find people who cannot stop drinking some die there, knowing all they had to do was stop drinking – but they couldn’t. Do I have to dot the I’s and cross the t’s. Its part of the human spectrum as is paedophilia and we can only hope one day we can find a “cure” so that they can live a normal life.

            As far as paedophiles are concerned medical, psychiatric services and the legal profession have worked together for many years developing ways to protect children, but it only works if the paedophile is reported to the police as soon as it is known that they are a danger to children.

            “You say no one at Celtic reported Torbett” yes Fergus McCan did and Google is your friend to fill in the gaps in you knowledge.

            ….. Celtic’s tax affairs then declared Celtic’s is worst – did I really? Think I was saying people in glass houses…..

            If you are running out of names to call me remember that Google is your friend

          • Bruce says:

            So you’re comparing an alcoholic, an addict whose ultimate victim is usually himself, to a paedophile? See what I mean about moral flip flops. Try selling that one at an AA meeting.

            I’m astounded to see the sympathy, understanding and willingness to consider the full context leading to their crimes that you’re willing to extend to paedophiles and Rangers but you’re not willing to offer it to everybody else. You’ll be telling us that the Rangers mess is all down to the SFA and SPL next and that, somehow, rrra poor berzzzz are the victims here. Remember Rangers, the dead club and its support that this page is supposed to be all about.

            Oh and Fergus McCann was decades after Torbett’s crimes. I was clearly asking if you had proof that no one from Celtic contacted the police at the time, because I guarantee you, if the Celtic board and players heard rumours about Celtic Boys Club (an entirely seperate organisation, remember, over which Celtic had no direct authority), then the police also heard those rumours. There’s are plenty of Rangers supporters that have posted on this subject claiming that it was an open secret at the time. So why is it someone only Celtic’s responsibility to deal with it?

            As for names, don’t worry. Everything you’ve posted just confirms my initial conclusion that you are nothing other than a vile, hypocritical bigot. So take your crocodile tears elsewhere. We can see right through them.

            Oh and next time you’re ill and need a doctor or nurse, will you be consistent and tell them that as far as you’re concerned they’re complicit in paedophilia? It’d be great to hear how that goes down.

          • Bruce says:

            One last thought. If you’re so convinced that Celtic are guilty of something, and you have proof that Celtic initiated a cover up – and I mean actual proof not decades after the fact hearsay from courtroom testimony – go on and take it to the police. See what kind of a welcome you get.

            And if you don’t, aren’t you guilty of a cover up?

          • Betty says:

            Fergus McCann obtained a controlling stake in the Celtic Football and Athletic Company Ltd. in 1994 and in 1996, former Celtic Boys Club player Alan Brazil revealed that when he was 13 years old he had been sexually abused by the club manager, Jim Torbett found guilty in 1998 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/213063.stm) time lie is OK yes you are right it had been going on for decades.

            To go back to my earlier posts the police dealt with Jim Torbett but the SFA never dealt with Celtic (re Penn State).

            You said “So you’re comparing an alcoholic, an addict whose ultimate victim is usually himself, to a paedophile” and I would add – “who’s ultimate victim is usually himself”.

            A closed mind is nothing to be proud of, it’s not all about image (wooosh).

          • Bruce says:

            You really are determined to show your hatred off to the entire world, aren’t you?

            You completely distort what I said to make it back up your lie. Torbett’s abuse at Celtic Boys Club did not take place across decades. Its hardly a closed mind to challenge a bigot and a liar like you.

            To go back to your original post, Celtic Boys Club was not part of Celtic. There is no direct comparison with Penn State, no matter what you bigots like to say.

            You inadvertently point to the great truth about dealing with paedophiles when you refer to Alan Brazil. The current Savile revelations show how difficult it is deal with paedophiles if the victims do not come forward to the police and give evidence. That is not an indictment of the victims, its a reflection of society’s difficulty in acknowledging these abuses. At least progress is being made.

            You really are hilarious – you come here and seriously act all sympathetic towards paedophiles simply so you can indulge your hate and have a pop at Celtic. You are freakish. Your persistence with this risible comparison of paedophiles and alcoholics is nauseating. Alcoholism is a chemical dependency, paedophilia is not. In alcoholism, the addict harms him or herself in the first instance and often harms others afterward. In paedophilia, the addict indulges himself and harms those unable to defend themselves in the first instance – that is what it is all about. But, like I said, take your garbage along to an AA meeting and see what happens.

            If by some chance you survive that, take your obsession with Celtic to the police and watch them laugh at you.

            If you are seriously telling us that a paedophile’s ultimate victim is himself, then you’re more disturbed than I thought.

          • Betty says:

            From newspapers McNeil admitted he knew, Stein knew and threw Torbett out. After Stein left a Celtic director brought Torbett back and when McCann came to CP he brought in the police. Are you telling me that they were the only staff at CP who knew what was going on? Remember, McNeil in court said that it was an open secret.

            Yes I do have a hatred for those who do not report child abuse. By not reporting it they allow the abuser to continue the abuse and to abuse other children.

            The abuser has to be protected from himself and that can only happen if the abuse gets reported. To not report the abuse to protect the good name of …….., should also be a locking up offence.

            I will be interested to see what happens at the BBC.

            If you reply to this please reply to what I actually said not what you want to think I said.

          • Bruce says:

            What you say is, as always with you transparently clear. You hate Celtic. You almost certainly hated Celtic before anyone had heard of Torbett. The examples you cite are all hearsay, based on recollections decades after the fact. Hearsay is notoriously unreliable. When its decades later its exponentiently unreliable. Again – take it to the police if you have evidence. Let them laugh at you. Again, CBC was not part of Celtic. You slaver over the prospect of Celtic being punished over this – it ain’t going to happen.

            You wonder about the BBC situation – the investigation into Savile – and that one extends way beyond the BBC into health charities, the NHS and the Police – but like the stereotypical Rangers supporter you don’t hate them but you hate the BBC, so its suddenly an exclusively BBC issue.

            Your empathy over paedophiles is as fake as your moral outrage and your concern for Torbett’s victims. It is all about hating Celtic, the club you were most likely brought up to hate.

            Funny thing is, if any paedophile read this exchange, they’d think, good old Betty, the paedophile’s friend. Think on that.

          • Betty says:

            You probably feel that your own hatred of Rangers would be the same as my hatred of Celtic, its not. When it does not relate to Rangers I do not give a toss about Celtic or for that matter Aberdeen. If Rangers are not on TV I will watch an England game rather than nursin’ my wrath to keep it warm. I cannot for the life of me envisage myself going onto a blog about Celtic. Why on earth would I?

            Hearsay does not come into it if you were an adult at that time it is not something you would forget about. You can read about it in old newspapers online for accuracy. You might not think it had anything to do with Celtic but Stein and McCann unarguably by their actions did.

            I will now stoop to your level, you sir are a fool, you do not know who I am nor, what I have been involved in my life.

          • Bruce says:

            ‘I cannot for the life of me envisage myself going onto a blog about Celtic. Why on earth would I?’

            What’s the difference between that and coming onto a blog about Rangers to post exclusively about Celtic?

            I don’t hate Rangers. They are gone. I may not know about your life, but I can work out a lot about you from your absurd posts. You struggle with basic facts – like Celtic Boys Club wasn’t part of Celtic and if Torbett’s activities were the kind of open secret you describe its impossible this was restricted to Celtic, and you’re comically selective in your fake moral outrage. That reveals everything about your motives.

          • Betty says:

            Because you are all over it and give the impression by doing so that you are a habitual lurker on Rangers blogs with no intention of adding intelligent arguments. Your posts are neither objective nor constructive, just continual deflection, derogative comments and name calling.

            You also appear to be incapable of seeing that a paedophile has to be protected from himself and the only way of doing that is to call in the authorities as soon as it is known that he has commited such crimes.

            Does it matter how close Celtic Boys Club were to Celtic or it that it was not restricted to Celtic? What mattered was that the people within the club who knew it was happening did nothing to stop it. That is unforgivable. How many children were abused or further abused because they did nothing. That is where I am going with this, one more child abused was one too many.

          • Bruce says:

            What utter self serving nonsense you spout. Apropos of absolutely nothing – and with no relevence to the subject of this blog – you brought up the Celtic Boys Club stuff because you are a bigot. That’s what Rangers supporting bigots do, they bring up Torbett at the first available opportunity. What you refer to as name calling, I refer to as not taking your toxic garbage. I call you for what you so transparently are. You don’t like it, tough.

            ‘Does it matter how close Celtic Boys Club were to Celtic or it that it was not restricted to Celtic?’ Of course it matters. How could it not. You raised this subject because you fantasise about the SFA hammering Celtic. How could the SFA punish Celtic over events at a club for which they were not legally responsible? It makes as much sense as charging the police for Torbett’s actions. Or any of the many Rangers supporting civilians who claim to have heard these rumours at the time.

            You spin a narrative of poor wee Torbett and big bad Celtic. Its absurd. I appreciate that you have to create a narrative in which the offenders are the victims – after all its how you make sense of what’s happened to your old club – but your logic is comical. And vile.

          • Betty says:

            If you were part of Celtic Football Club and you found out that Torbett was abusing kids in the Celtic Boys club would you go to the police or keep quite for the sake the good name of the club?

          • Bruce says:

            A straightforward question which actually brings us to the heart of the matter, so I’ll attempt an answer.

            First, you frame the question in an absurdly black and white manner. I doubt anyone in Celtic (the club, not the boys club) actually faced such a black and white dilemma when Torbett was active. Lets try a basic exercise in empathy.

            Paedophiles rarely have horns and tail. Very often, as was the case with Torbett, they appear to be fine upstanding members of society. They make friends and allies, most of whom are completely ignorant of their true nature. So, imagine you’re working for CFC in the 60’s. There’s this guy, Torbett, who might even be your friend, as far as you can tell he’s one of the good guys. He even generously gives up much of his time to help young people, often from deprived backgrounds. He approaches your club wanting a tie in with his boys club and Celtic, something that might be mutually beneficial, so you go ahead with this tie up, what’s involved, maybe a little money and the use of Celtic’s good name. This is in an era when child abuse is much less understood, and before it was understood that children are more in danger from people they know than from strangers. Even if children made any accusations of abuse at that time, they were rarely believed – that’s the way society was then.

            So, you start hearing some rumours, rumours completely at odds with what you know of this otherwise sound guy. No one wants to believe these things, that’s basic human nature. You have no evidence, no proof. Do you just go ahead and destroy a man’s life on the basis of rumours?

          • Bruce says:

            PS, and remember, Celtic was not directly responsible for CBC. It stretches credibility to imagine that these rumours are restricted to Celtic FC. Is anyone else doing anything about this monster?

          • Betty says:

            You show a good understanding of what it is about, grooming the kids and appearing OK to others.

            I was an adult at that time and have to say that when I was a child my parents were manic about possible sexual abuse. My friend’s dad asked me in to wait for her and her mother who were due home soon. My father when, I told him went mental and then went round to speak to him.

            There was no chance back then that a child would not be believed any less than they would today.

            I am afraid that a lot of what you said only reinforces what I am trying to get across. It is difficult to recognise a paedophile, and therefore there should be no excuse that could possibly stand between turning them over to the police and, by not doing so, allowing another child to be abused. It has nothing to do with responsibility for CBC its about knowing and not doing anything to stop it

            To reiterate, I can live with the financial mismanagement at Rangers and still go to games, I would not still be supporting Celtic.

          • Bruce says:

            First –

            ‘You show a good understanding of what it is about, grooming the kids and appearing OK to others.’

            Are you implying something with that?

            I assume from your reaction that you struggle with empathy.

            ‘There was no chance back then that a child would not be believed any less than they would today.’

            That just flies in the face of everything that we’ve learned from the Savile carry on. The victims almost always doubt they’ll be believed. If you’re basing your arguments on your own experience then I suggest you look at the link someone posted at the bottom of this page.

            ‘I am afraid that a lot of what you said only reinforces what I am trying to get across. It is difficult to recognise a paedophile, and therefore there should be no excuse that could possibly stand between turning them over to the police and, by not doing so, allowing another child to be abused. It has nothing to do with responsibility for CBC its about knowing and not doing anything to stop it’

            That is just incoherent, contradictory nonsense. You have not been saying its difficult to recognise a paedophile – that has been my argument. That its dangerous to make that kind of accusation without proof and how notoriously difficult it is to prove it.

            If its difficult to prove someone’s a paedophile (and it is) then on what basis were Celtic supposed to have turned him over? Rumours that extended way beyond Celtic? Have you ever had a job? Do you know how many rumours fly about workplaces? I’ve heard rumours about Richard Gough and other Rangers people. I have absolutely no evidence, so should I go and report them to to the police?

            I could care less that you couldn’t live with being a Celtic supporter – the rest of us can. But it’s another one of your absurd moral flip flops.

          • Betty says:

            “Are you implying something with that”
            -good bit of deflection by attempting to turn me into a bad person.

            “I assume from your reaction that you struggle with empathy”
            -trying to turn me into a stupid person this time

            “That just flies in the face of everything that we’ve learned from the Savile carry on.”
            – but not the more recent Penn State court case. It still happens, part of the grooming of vulnerable kids and the need to report any paedophile as soon it becomes known

            “If you’re basing your arguments on your own experience then I suggest you look at the link someone posted at the bottom of this page”
            – you will obviously plead innocence in this but that is demeaning, really scraping the barrel and totally out of order

            Torbett was found guilty of abusing boys in Celtic Boys Club
            The only issue here is only whether staff within Celtic Football Club knew that the abuse was going on and did not inform the police.

            Stein kicked Torbett out when he was made aware of the abuse but did not call in the police but worst of all, McNeil said in court that it was an open secret (court records). McNeil may not have said anything during this period, but in the end he he was man enough to admit to knowing and give something back to those who were abused.

            You do appear not to understand how much it means to victims of such crimes that they are believed and what happened to them is accepted, that they were the victim of a horrific crime which was no fault of theirs.

          • Bruce says:

            ‘good bit of deflection by attempting to turn me into a bad person.’

            Wrong again. No deflection. You made a dubious but ambiguous statement about me. I asked a straight yes or no question to clear up the ambiguity. A question you have conspicuously deflected and failed to answer.

            ‘trying to turn me into a stupid person this time’

            Aw diddums. I’ve already made it clear that you’re a hypocritical bigot. Stupidity would then be the least of your problems.

            “That just flies in the face of everything that we’ve learned from the Savile carry on.”
            – Ah, the new Rangers (1872-2102) supporters obsession. Penn State. Again, two fundamental differences. First – the abuse happened directly under Penn State’s auspices. That didn’t happen with Celtic. Second – the people involved were still active within PSU.

            ‘you will obviously plead innocence in this but that is demeaning, really scraping the barrel and totally out of order’ Absolute garbage on your part., You quoted your father precisely to do what I said. The link demonstrates that your wrong about children being believed and why you’re wrong. I rather doubt you read it.

            You hang everything on McNeill’s evidence but ask any policeman or lawyer and they’ll tell you about the dangers of relying too much on testimony decades after the fact, especially when its about something that the witness was at several removes from.

            ‘You do appear not to understand how much it means to victims of such crimes that they are believed and what happened to them is accepted, that they were the victim of a horrific crime which was no fault of theirs.’

            That is truly desperate from you. You have come on here and tried to tell us that the paedophiles are victims too. But I am not a bigot with an agenda as you clearly are. How did you justify your hatred of Celtic before Torbett’s crimes were exposed?

            Unless you are prepared to answer my question with a yes or a no, I’m done with you.

          • Betty says:

            If you are referring to:
            “You show a good understanding of what it is about, grooming the kids and appearing OK to others.’
            Are you implying something with that?
            There is no yes or no to that as by my answer it is obvious that there can be two inferences from that, one from what I said and the other from your answer. I was saying that I was not inferring that you were a paedophile. But if you wish to take on board the role of the poor victim in this that’s your prerogative.

            I cannot see where I ever said that paedophiles were victims. What I did say was that they had to be protected from themselves, and I will stand by that.

            Paedophiles choose their victims, look for weaknesses which they can exploit and cleverly work on them. Kids from families with strong family relationships will be less likely to be a target for a paedophile. That is the same today as it was when I was a child.

            You appear to hang a just about everything on CBC not being directly under CFC’s jurisdiction. Once again, it does not matter. It only matters who knew about the abuse and did not tell the authorities.

            You reiterated a sentence I wrote about the victims of abuse, without any recognition of its importance to the victims. All you care about is removing Celtic from any involvement in this even it means that you go through the rest of your life deflecting and wearing blinkers.

          • Bruce says:

            ‘There is no yes or no to that’

            Of course there is, but as you’ve effectively answered no, I’ll leave that one at that.

            ‘I cannot see where I ever said that paedophiles were victims. What I did say was that they had to be protected from themselves, and I will stand by that.’

            if they need protected that makes them the vulnerable ones here.

            ‘Paedophiles choose their victims, look for weaknesses which they can exploit and cleverly work on them. Kids from families with strong family relationships will be less likely to be a target for a paedophile. That is the same today as it was when I was a child.’

            And the children are not their only victims. They abuse the trust of the organisations they exploit, whether that’s the army, the BBC, the police, the NHS, charities or a youth football club. Of course, you’re not interested in condemning them, you’re only interested in condemning Celtic.

            You came out with the patently absurd and wrong statement that the victims were believed back, or at least were believed as much as they would be now. That shows how little you know about the subject.

            ‘You appear to hang a just about everything on CBC not being directly under CFC’s jurisdiction. Once again, it does not matter’ Of course it matters if you’re suggesting should be punished for it.

            ‘It only matters who knew about the abuse and did not tell the authorities.’

            Up to a point. Hearing rumours is not the same as ‘knew’. No one wants to believe these things happen under their nose and people are reluctant to believe these things, without evidence, when it involves someone who in all other aspects appears to be a good guy. That’s human nature. Again, if these rumours were so widespread its inconceivable that word didn’t get to the police, social services, football clubs and authorities and the press. Its highly likely that it did and Torbett cultivated friendships way beyond Celtic. He’ll have used these relationships, and the victims unwillingness to directly accuse him, to protect himself. If you think Celtic protected him and no one else knew about these rumours you’re kidding yourself on. And, again, if you believe rumours are enough to go on, I trust you’ll be reporting Rangers and Richard Gough to the police?

            ‘You reiterated a sentence I wrote about the victims of abuse, without any recognition of its importance to the victims.’ Are you serious?

            ‘All you care about is removing Celtic from any involvement in this’

            Wrong again. All I care about is looking at this even handedly and accurately. All you care about is selectively using decades old hearsay as fact in order to condemn Celtic.

            I clocked you as a bigot from your first posts and I’ve seen nothing to make me think I got you wrong. Indeed, I’ve asked you several times how you justified your bigotry before Torbett. Not once have you attempted to answer that, which suggests you have no answer.

            Celtic haven’t been charged by the SFA and they won’t. And I know that’ll gnaw at your bitter little heart as you weep your crocodile tears. Especially now your club has died. I’ve had enough of you and your dad attempts to deflect from the point of this blog – then appalling behaviour of many of the supporters of your dead club. You provide just another example of a bitter and hateful fan of Rangers (1872-2012).

          • Betty says:

            Your ability to prevaricate is only surpassed by your long list of derogatory insults.

            Why NCAA handed out such severe punishments Pennsylvania State University:
            – the NCAA’s decision was based on a report by former FBI director Louis Freeh for Penn State that said that late coach Joe Paterno and three school officials concealed allegations against Sandusky in order to protect the school’s image.
            – the Freeh Report, released on July 12, concluded that ……. “the most saddening finding by the Special Investigative Counsel is the total and consistent disregard by the most senior leaders at Penn State for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims”.

            What does that remind you of.

            Jim Torbett was found guilty.

            If paedophiles were found to operate in the company who made and delivered CFC’s pies, there would be NO possibility of involving CFC.

            CFC boasts a proud history of boys from CBC going on to be stars at CP. They even trained at Barrowfield – pre Lennoxtown, therefore even if you go down the road of ignoring the reports from the trials, you cannot dissociate yourself from them. CBC would not exist without CFC.

            The victims need to be believed, what CFC and their fans are doing does nothing for them.

        • Bruce says:

          While some of the The Rangers supporters clearly want to demonise Phil, its worth noting that it was Phil who, yesterday, broke the news that Craig Whyte is re-emerging with some explosive revelations.

  3. Blue Truth says:

    The current CEO of Rangers Charles Green came to Glasgow back in May when he was trying to buy the assets of the club from the administrator. Such was the threat level against him that he had to move every night from safe house to safe house so that the could avoid the anger and violence of the Rangers fans .

    He declared this openly and it was widely covered in all of the Scottish media at the time.

    Collyer Bristow Solicitors currently involved in litigation over Rangers released a press statement in April this year saying that partner Craig Withey
    was receiving death threats from irate Rangers ­supporters and went to ground to shield his family from the worst of it.

    This is the reality of life in Scotland if you cross the Rangers path and don’t bow to their intimidation – then violence soon follows.

  4. rob glendinning says:

    A one sided view again by Thomson , once again making accusations that he cannot back up with proof .
    If all the above has happened , why has there not been a single prosecution?

    • Bruce says:

      You rather miss the point. There have been plenty of instances of the support of the old Rangers resorting to threats, intimidation and violence. And there have been plenty of charges and convictions.

      • R says:

        Same as the Celtic support………………. Celtic fans forced Mo Johnston not to take part in a CHARITY football natch dye to threats of violence and boycotts of the game so get a grip, if the shoe was on the other foot it would be the same but we (the rangers support) would have moved on by now as for Doncaster saying the SPL has survived without Rangers and they don’t need us that’s why the SFL was FORCED to accept the T.V rights for Rangers games going to the SPL to keep the sponsor deal to the highest possible payment, the SFL should have played it better went to Sky and sold the rights to Rangers game and all SFL games for £4m a season I’m sure Sky would have went for that…….

  5. BigRab says:

    This is utter tripe, Thompson is a wannabe who has had his complaints dismissed by Strathclyde Police on the grounds that the threats were a figment of his imagination. He is just another buffoon who thinks that people should listen to his inane ramblings because he is friends with an Irish bigot with an unpronounceable name. I suggest, Alice, that you stick to cookery or whatever else you may have some talent for because it is not journalism!

    • StMiley says:

      I follow him on twitter. Hardly a day goes by he(Alex) doesn’t get threats from the Sevco fans. Check his timeline. Even prominent Sevco bloggers have pleaded with fans not to do it. Undoing all their hard work – as they say!

      If it was one or two complaining of intimidation, then denial may work. However, the numbers are far higher and they are from highly respected people (lawyers, QC’s, businessmen etc.) and also include your beloved leader – Charlie Green.

      It can be debated if the new club has the old clubs history, but it’s traditions are not for debate. The bile and hatred are as strong.

      • rob glendinning says:

        There is no proof that the so called perpetrators of the threats via twitter are supporters of Rangers, any idiot with a phone or a computer can under any alias they like send threats to anyone and claim they are someone else thus creating the turmoil and strife that they crave so much.
        The threats via twitter and the internet can be easily traced , the police have investigated the threats made to Alex Thomson and found them to be spurious.
        If anyone should be charged it should be Alex Thomson for continually trying to stir things up by making such unfounded allegations.

    • swizzledeedee says:

      A wannabe what!? He is a global reporter, you think he is looking for a job on Clyde on something??????

  6. Mark Falconer says:

    Just about every claim in Alex Thomson’s article is either a lie, or a twist on the truth. The Police have investigated his claims and found no evidence that they’re true. Reproducing unsubstantied rubbish like this shows a lack of any journalistic integrity.

  7. mick says:

    alex has done a brave job and told the world about rangers if you have any doubts to this google rangers threats and it will show you day after day of intimidation the are a stian on scotland and should not have been allowed to rebirth look at the satistics for glasgow old firm match a&e nights and its plane to see they are the most violent breed ever in scottish history well done to alex and well done to the hosts of this site they mainly hate roman catholics and irish they are a permant disgrace to scotland

    • VoiceofReason says:

      Oh dear, another victim of the sectarian schooling that should be abolished in Scotland …..

  8. Truth Seeker says:

    The integrity of this article has been compromised by the failure to disclose the real reason the Sun refused to publish the serialisation of the book Downfall.

    • Bruce says:

      You mean that the Sun buckled after a torrent of complaints from The Rangers supporters? Or are you suggesting that The Sun now suddenly vets its contributors for anything objectionable in the past.

      The Sun’s bottle crashed and they were too cowardly to admit to the real reason so they come up with some transparently bogus nonsense to justify their craven decision.

      • Blue Truth says:

        The writer of the book was not only well known personally to the Sun Editor but his work was well known to News International as he had written for the group on a freelance basis for years.

        I know that you find the truth difficult to accept – but the current Sun editor is weak and is under immense pressure over circulation as are most Scottish editors so the book-burners won. If that makes you happy fine. I have read the book in question and find no sectarianism in it but I doubt if you have read it and I just know that if you did you would find it stuffed with anti Rangers sectarian comments.

        That is the problem that rangers fans are hurting so badly at being stuck into SFL3 that they are reacting in the only way they know and that is to attack their treaditional enemy – Catholics.

        While the rest of Scotland tries to become an open multicultural society your dead hand of ulster threatens civil disorder.

  9. William Barry says:

    Mr Thomson fails to say that his claims of intimadation and threats were invetigated by Strathclyde Police who found no case to answer,and this Walter Mitty charachter has lots of other fairy tales ,but the biggest whopper of them all was that he was taken out into the desert along with 4 other individuals threatened with death ,but could not furnish evidence to his claims ,this guy and the gulible people who actually believe him really want to look at the facts not what Walter Mitty says

  10. Derek Crookston says:

    I can’t believe that the FT have published such a non story based on the ramblings of a proven fantasist. Obviously Rangers supporters have rallied to the defense of their club however when you look at the stuff peddled by Thompson and his obsessed cohorts then it has been long overdue.

    • Derek Crookston says:

      .. will always get one or two idiots who cross the line and post vile threats on internet forums etc but Thompson has rolled into Scotland on the promise of impartial investigative journalism (which is lacking up here to be fair) and his ‘reports’ have been untangled as nothing more than re-hashings of guff from the usual anti Rangers hacks from Scotland. One prominent fellow who Thompson has cosied up to and indeed chose to write the foreward to his book on RFC and its ‘Downfall’ is a well known sectarian bigot and anti-Rangers obsessive.

      I also believe that Thompson is being investigated for previous non-Rangers/Football related stories which are coming back to bite his bottom.

      As my old Nan used to say “Yer lies’ll catch ye up!”

      • Bruce says:

        One or two idiots? Is that the one or two idiots that sent bombs to high profile Celtic people? The one or two idiots who attacked Neil Lennon on Ashton Lane? Or on Great Western Road? Or on the M8? The hundreds of idiots that complained to the police about Neil Lennon being racist? The thousands of idiots who rioted in Manchester?

        If it was just one or two idiots crossing the line on internet forums this would not be an issue. But we all know there are plenty of idiots in the The Rangers support willing to take things further than internet forums.

        • VoiceofReason says:

          Hmm, I would say that in comparison to your own club’s support, we are extremely restrained. However, it appears that Nacho Novo & others do not count when it comes down to bare facts.

          I would also counter that had a Rangers manager ever behaved in the manner of Neil Lennon, he’d have been hounded out by the Rangers support as not fit to represent the club. Then again, the bhoys appear to have no issue with the behaviour of this ned, who attracts trouble & sees fit to threaten ex- girlfriends with physical violence, when they have the temerity to see child support.

          • Bruce says:

            Based on what? Honestly, that is just a ridiculous claim. Who attacked Novo, who sent bomb? Typical whatabootery.

            As for your ‘dignified’ manager, he went out of his way to provoke a fight with a fellow manager. Did you not see the photos of his hate filled as he had to be held back from attacking Neil Lennon?

            Don’t get me wrong, I’m not wanting to be too critical of Sally. I want him to stay as The Rangers manager for a long time.

          • Bruce says:

            And its instructive to see Voiceofhatred adopt the typical nutter fringe of TheRangers support and blame the target of his hatred.

    • swizzledeedee says:

      Yes he has made it all up, Regan, Doncaster, Turnbull Hutton, Lennon, Mccourt, Mcginn, Airdrie, Raith, Phil Mac, Rangers Tax Case, Lawell, Daly, and the 25 journalists are all just pretending to receive threats. When the Police turned up at Raith to tell the Directors of the Club that they had credible intelligence that 2 men had been paid to torch their stadium they were just making it up as well.

      • Thetruthwillout says:

        Presumably there have been numerous arrests and convictions, swizzledeedee ? Honestly, go away and concentrate on sorting out your own clubs affairs. We really prefer have as little as possible to do with people as obsessed as you.

  11. Mr Smith says:

    If Mr Thomson wants to salvage any credibility as a journalist it’s time for him to own up to his mistakes and walk away from this. The Sun was bombarded by complaints – not threats – regarding serialisation of Downfall (or does Mr Thomson, in a now all-too-familiar display of hypocrisy, intend to attack this freedom of speech himself?). It made the decision to withdraw it when its editor became aware of the history, nature and motivations of its author. Mr Thomson was either fooled completely himself, in which case he should confess and move on, or he shares the mindset of the author of Downfall, which is by no means to his credit (nor that of anyone who now employs him). It’s undeniable that there have been isolated incidents if intimidation directed at a small number of people involved with Scottish football – though none of these has been specifically detailed, presumably lest a sense of proportion dampens the media furore. But Mr Thomson is, yet again, somewhat behind the times in his analysis of affairs. Following the ridicule he suffered after his early attempts to belittle all involved in this affair and his apparent susceptibility to the promptings of certain figures with clear agendas, Mr Thomson has launched a serious of attacks on Rangers and the club’s supporters of an increasingly personal and vindictive nature. Relevance has gone out the window as he desperately scrambles for any sort of footing from which to launch an assault that may for once bear fruit. The escalations of wild and unsubstantiated fantasy are transparent to the point of cringeworthy, and perhaps it would now be better for Mr Thomson to simply stop digging the hole.

  12. oatlandsbear says:

    Alex Thomson the epitome of poor journalism

  13. James says:

    The man whose book Thomson wrote a foreword for has been outed as the vilest of sectarian bigots.

    Thomson has been unapologetic regarding his associations with this piece of work and has been rightly criticised.

    If a few individuals cross the line that is a matter for the police, not a whining blog full of hyperbole designed to tarnish the majority.

    • Bruce says:

      The vilest of sectarian bigots are the nutters who attempt to intimidate, hurt, maim or even kill others. No matter what anyone thinks about Phil, calling him the vilest of sectarian bigots is just stupid.

      • blueoutthedome says:

        No i think he got it spot on

        • Nicola Sanderson says:

          Interesting that the Rangers/The Rangers fans are calling for assorted proofs, yet not one of the ones calling Phil Mac Giolla Bhain a “vile, sectarian bigot” offers anything to substantiate their ridiculous claims.

      • Donnie says:

        yes i think he got it spot on too

  14. AMMS says:

    I guess we can assume the ‘Bureau of Investigative Journalism’ is an ironic title because no investigative journalism was carried out here clearly. Thomson’s blog is so littered with factual inaccuracies, hearsay and personal opinion passed off as fact as to render it comedic.

    His bigoted friend wrote a book, he wants to help him sell more copies, why? Try investigating that instead.

  15. Alex Thomson tells fibs says:

    “The Bureau for Investigative Journalism” yet Alice K Ross fails to mention the real reason the book was pulled.

    Journalists – are there any credible ones left?

    • Bruce says:

      Yes. Alex Thomson, despite what some of the deranged fringe of the The Rangers support say.

      You really like shooting the messengers, don’t you?

      • rob glendinning says:

        Shooting ? I think it was the Celtic support who portrayed someone being shot on a massive banner at one of their matches was it not?
        Guilty of anything ? Not likely.

        • Bruce says:

          It wasn’t someone, it was a zombie.

          I think it was Sevco supporters who photoshopped a shamrock onto that pic.

          Still at least Celtic were found not guilty.

    • Blue Truth says:

      The real reason the book serialisation was pulled because the Sun editor buckled under the threat of Rangers supporters boycotting the paper. At the last count they say they are boycotting every media outlet in Scotland. Just like all the replies on here they organise write-ins to try and make their position stronger.

      Rangers fans even over-egged it with the Zombie banner by using photoshopping to make it more offensive to Rangers supporters and whip up a campaign of complaints to the Scottish Football Association and media.

      When the deception was pointed out to the media they changed their claims and the SFA threw every single complaint about the banner out.

      However the SFA had just previously found the new rangers CEO Charles Green guilty of bringing the Scottish football game into disrepute through bigotry.

      This is all on the public record but I have no doubt will be disputed by the kind of twisted Rangers fanatics who go to SFL3 games and hold up banners declaring: ‘Paedo Free in SFL3′ as these fans declare that Catholics are all paedophiles. As soon as I can move away from Scotland back home to England I will be off although I will be voting for Scottish Independence before I go so in future you have nothing to do with England.

      • yesindeed says:

        Blue Truth, your post sums this all up perfectly. Its inconceivable that any sort of ‘agenda’ exists against The Rangers. The SPL bent over backwards to allow them back in and for some unbeknown, warped reason (oh no wait, it was Charles Green creating an enemy out of the spl as a means by which to rally the masses. classic political/social influencing technique. remember, he was hated so much by the rangers support that he was staying in various safe houses around glasgow for his own PROTECTION,) they think that everyone is out to get them.

        If it were one or two, then the Celtic (and probably civil society at large) fans are educated and measured enough to accept genuine contrition and allow the club to move on, start afresh and build up a genuine rivalry without the religious hatred. (For those South of the border or generally unaware of the “sectarian” tensions, the vast majority of celtic fans now do not partake or even revel in such antics. it is in the main one sided)

        My fear is that such behavior will never change.

        • Bruce says:

          Yesindeed, strictly speaking, they can’t come back into the SPL as the Rangers there is now (The Rangers) has never been in the SPL. The only club relegated from the SPL last season was Dunfermline. They disappeared from the SPL because they went bust. Then reformed as a new club identifiying itself as the old club, but a new club nevertheless.

          Your point about the complete lack of contrition, and their absurd claims that they’re the victims, angering everyone else is spot on.

  16. S beattie says:

    Yet another article about Rangers and yet another in the long line of lies from journalist’s who are unable or unwilling to do any research before spouting forth. Thompson and his claims were investigated by Strathclyde police and no evidence of wrongdoing was found, but it seems if you tell a lie often enough it will be perceived as the truth. Did Alice K Ross study journalism with Thompson and Phil with 3 names, or is she a “friend” of Brian McNally, another journalist with a bigoted sectarian hatred of all things concerning Rangers. It’s sad when the once noble profession of journalist has sunk to the levels of inventing lies to justify their hatred and obsession of Scotland’s biggest and most successful club.
    It would seem that journalist’s such as these believe that the mismanagement of Rangers is a bigger crime than covering up sexual abuse .

    • StMiley says:

      So, 25 NUJ members add their names to the very long, and in some cases illustrious, list of people threatened by Sevco fans, and your response is – the classic, ‘aye bit, whit aboot, whit aboot that story aboot the boys club and the cover up that ma pals telt me aboot!’ – thanks for your contribution, we are all richer for it and we can now close the debate on intimidation from Sevco fans.

  17. Thetruthwillout says:

    I really despair in some of the nonsense that is published in newspapers in this country. Why Mr Thomson’s warped version of these events is being repeated here is truly staggering. So, for clarity, let me correct a number of inaccuracies. Firstly, Mr Thomson claims he has been threatened. Strathclyde have twice investigated this man’s ludicrous allegations and have twice found no evidence to support his claims. Next, Mr Thomson has twice previously mocked the families of the 66 victims of the Ibrox Disaster, infamously describing them as Daleks (they can’t climb stairs) and repeating that truly offensive piece of bile that is rejected by almost every Celtic fan alive as being utterely beyond the pale of any measure of decent behaviour. Not too indecent for Mr Thomson, though. He is happy to repeat it. Next, this is the man who previously claimed a Syrian death squad had targetted his vehicle and that he had been attacked in the desert along with five others. When asked to produce proof, or even one witness, he has not done so. Next, this is the man who has endorsed the works of the known sectarian bigot, Phil McGilliven. The Sun have stated in public that Phil is “tarred with the sickening brush of sectarianism” and withdrew their serialisation of the book in question. Despite this, Mr Thomson wrote a foreword to Mr McGilliven’s sectarian scrawlings and still backs his man. Lastly, Mr Thomson is now the subject of another national newpapers investigations into his repeated slurs against Rangers fans and against other journalists. The Daily mail are allegedly investigating him to see if they can find any truthful elements at all to a number of his stories and claims. the clear inference here is that his peers are now beginning to consider the possibility that he may be an attention seeking fantasist. So, with respect, I urge your publication to distance itself from this man and to sharpen up and switch on your own journalist radar before printing rubbish that has no foundation in reality. You may end being the next one’s who owe bereaved families a grovelling apology.

    • StMiley says:

      For the record. Alex tweeted about how he hadn’t seen many wasps this year. His followers from all walks of life – NOT CELTIC FANS – proceeded to tweet him their tales of encounters with wasps in their areas. As is usual when he is online, people asked him various questions about the Rangers story as well as Syria and he then got the usual abuse from Sevco fans. One accused him of a veiled attempt of abuse, as wasps is an acronym for White Anglo Saxon Protestant, he dismissed this and compared the onslaught from Sevco fans to that of a Dalek drone. Later that night, posts appeared on various Sevco forums describing how he had insulted the memory of those who had lost their lifes in the Ibrox disaster by comparing Rangers fans to Daleks. Every Rangers fan to a man needed explaining as to why they were to be offended – NO-ONE HAD HEARD THIS TERM BEFORE!

      It was a lie created by Rangers fans to feign mock outrage and attack Alex.

      It only succeeded in disrespecting the memory it feigned to protect.

      • VoiceofReason says:

        For the record, considering Alex is happy to listen to, be advised by, & regurgitate fictional nonsense spouted by the confirmed sectarian bigot, & Rangers obsessed hater Phil Mac-3-names, nothing he says can be taken seriously. You also appear rather confused. Is it Sevco, or Rangers supporters you are obsessed by ? – if the former, how did this obsession arise in such a short time ?

        • Bruce says:

          What makes you fantasise that anything you say can be taken seriously?

          • VoiceofReason says:

            I would say that your responding to my post, albeit with no point to make, confirms that you at least, are reading my posts, & taking me seriously. The fact that there is no substance to any of your posts, other than to insult Rangers supporters, would suggest that you are are a Rangers obsessed bigot, & out of your depth.

          • Bruce says:

            I read a lot of humour.

        • StMiley says:

          It is confusing, new club but same fans with the same lack of dignity!

  18. Douglas Dickie says:

    I’m a journalist myself and have grave reservations that the writer of this piece shares my profession.
    A quick glance at the Sun would have offered up the real reasons for the serialisation being pulled being the most glaring and obvious error.
    Intimidation of journalist, especially in the digital age, is a real issue however. I myself have experienced it (I even found my picture posted on a Celtic fan’s website, my crime was writing a story about a Facebook page mocking the death of a man who happened to support Rangers). Perhaps the mistake has been mine and I should have gone to the police.
    Perhaps the “journalist” responsible for this piece would also like to look into death threats to the likes of Nacho Novo. Perhaps even the Rangers employee who was threatened on Twitter just this weekend.
    Or perhaps the “journalist” has been pointed in the direction of this story by those who stand to gain most from it.

    Threats to anyone are simply not on, but this is not a one way street. This is frankly a rather dire example of “investigative journalism.”

    • Blue Truth says:

      @ Douglas Dickie

      I accept you may be a jounalist but I also detect some bias in your approach.

      If you are a member of the NUJ then you should contact them about the 25 NUJ members who have been threatened through attempting to tell the truth about the Old Firm who each btw have elements as bad as each other.

      Why investigate an old Nacho story – why not investigate the recent experiences of the Rangers CEO Charles Green having to hide in different safe houses every night to escape irate Rangers fans. Why not investigate the death threats made against against Withey the Rangers Secretary by Rangers fans.

      And have your forgotten the 15 year old schoolboy butchered in the street walking home alone from a Celtic match by a Rangers supporter with terrorist links. Left to die in the gutter with his throat cut.

      What about the explosive devices and bullets recently sent through the post to the Celtic Manager, a Scottish MSP and well-known lawyer – the latter two because they were Celtic supporters.

      Scottish Football is a cessoit of sectarianism and anyone guilty of the kind of behaviour that is happening day and daily should be dealt with by the full weight of the law irrespective of whatever club they support.

      • Douglas Dickie says:

        There is no bias to the way I approach my journalism. I openly admit to being a Rangers fan and make no apology for it. Due to that I have tended to pick up more Rangers-related stories than Celtic ones, but when I write a story I do so in a professional manner. Others may disagree, but my conscience is clear in this regard.

        I was merely using Novo as an example that this is not a one way street, I have plenty of others. I also used an example from this weekend which you have ignored.

        I think it somewhat ironic that you accuse me of being biased before listing a series of incidents that paints only Rangers supporters in a bad light.

        I offered my opinion here as a journalist first because I find the piece itself to be fundamentally flawed, completely one-sided and poorly researched.

      • rob glendinning says:

        And that is from a supporter? of a club that has long standing links to terrorist organisations.

        • Bruce says:

          Care to prove these long standing links. That’s an extraordinary claim. And, once again, from a sevcovian, its a lie.

          Unless you’re referring to the stories about loyalist terrorists and Rangers.

        • willie maher says:

          @rob glendenning” a club with long standing terrorist links ” .Now theres a case for slander if I ever saw one.Just to add I wonder where Andy Gorham is these days ,probably wandering around the Shankill with his convicted terrorist mate Michael Stone drumming up support for sevco, selling some orange away strips ( which of course was a total coincidence).Do me a favour Rob get your facts right before you making a fool of yourself again on a public forum

  19. F. Campbell says:

    Thomson has personal experience of his subject: he wrote the foreword to Downfall, so far the only book on the crisis, and was, he says, rewarded with a barrage of abuse.

    Downfall’s publisher, Frontline Noir, describes ‘pressure applied’ to discourage shops from stocking the title – while some stockists have reported fans screaming at staff for stocking copies according to Thomson.

    And in a spectacular reverse ferret, the Sun announced and then cancelled a serialisation of Downfall

    THE SUN PULLED THE BOOK AFTER FINDING OUT THE WRITTER IS AND AS IN THE SUNS OWN WORDS

    ” TARED WITH A SECTARIAN BRUSH”

    , faced with complaints and threats considered so serious the police were called in.

    RANGERS SUPPORTERS INCLUDING ME HAVE COMPLAINED TO THE SUN , NOT MADE THREATS.

    ONLY IN THE UK WOULD WE ALLOW TERRORISTS TO HAVE A FAIR SAY AND THEY CHOOSE TO LIE.

  20. john beaton says:

    Alex Thomson who mocked the victims of the Ibrox Disaster where 66 people were killed.

  21. F. Campbell says:

    Can you please let us all know what the sunb said about the books writer and why they had decided to distance the paper from him.

    Book writer is a know terrorist sympathizer.

  22. Fonald Dindlay says:

    Got laugh at the SEVCO fans calling anyone a sectarian bigot,the same mob whos previous now defunct club RFC had a non catholic employment policy for over 100 years!

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      I wondered how long it would take for Celtic Minded individuals to trot along onto yet another Rangers story. Haven’t you anything better to do than peddle sectarian filth about other clubs? However, to answer your point Fonald (oh, how witty), I think you will find that amongst many other things done by our club, Rangers actually helped fund an RC school in Edinburgh (near easter Road stadium) by playing a friendly against Hibernian. The school still stands today. In addition, I also suggest you look at your own clubs initial charter, which was specifically “to keep catholic children away from the harmful influences of protestants” (who at that time were running soup kitchens in Glasgow to help impoverished families). The founders of Celtic were not happy about young RC children coming into contact with protestants (even through charitable giving) and hence set up a charity and club to segregate their flock from the rest of Scottish society, but specifically from protestants. In short, your club was formed out of bigotry and sectarianism and has led the way in all that subsequently followed. Lastly, perhaps if we now end the state funded apartheid education in this country, and close down the se bigot factories, then, and only then, might this country have a chance of moving forward

      • craigy says:

        ” Haven’t you anything better to do than peddle sectarian filth about other clubs? ”

        If you had a functioning brain cell , you would have seen that he was pointing out the filthy sectarian signing policy that RFC promoted for over 100 years . To do so , pointing out that is , is not sectarian , its observant .

        • trueblue says:

          erm hate to tell you there was quite a few catholics who played for rangers so dont come on here and spew your crap ,and by the way it works both ways ,when i was younger my mother used to help in a shop where the nuns used to come in and make collections where the owner had to give a donation,so my mother said to the shop keeper ididnt know you were a catholic to which the owner said she wasnt as the nuns would go back to the priest who in his service on a sunday would tell his congregation not to use the shop ,not can you tell me whats that called ..and by the way go read up on the catholic reformation if you really want sectarain shit

        • Brian Cooper says:

          If you had a single functioning braincell, 100 years indeed. Rangers have had RCs in their team throughout history. The worst reaction to them having RC players and a manager has come from those who attended the RC bigot factories.

        • Thetruthwillout says:

          And as I have pointed out, Craigy, the root cause of sectarianism in Scotland has always been, and remains, the apartheid education of our children, coupled with the indoctination of minds by a club born out of sectarianism. I notice you haven’t in any way tried to deny the sectarianism to which I refer existing within your club’s own founding charter. Seriously, don’t you see the irony in anyone associated with Celtic, or the RC schooling system, accusing anyone else in this country of sectarianism??. It’s bordering on laughable, if it wasn’t such a serious issue. I also notice that you haven’t taken issue with me over my comments about Mr Thomson’s “dalek” mocking of the victims of the Ibrox disaster, craigy. Aren’t you able to “observe” that, craigy, or do you just agree with that kind of behaviour? Anyway, run along now and find some other playground. We’re trying to have a serious discussion here.

          • Bruce says:

            The root cause of sectarianism is lack of education and children being taught to hate in the home. Always has been and its the case now.

          • Thetruthwillout says:

            Ataboy Bruce … Maintain the apartheid segregation … Give me the boy until 7 Nd I will give you the man. What is it you are afraid of ? In what way will mixing with friends of a different faith before age 12 hinder your growth as a man or woman. It’s attitudes like yours that explain why this country is still struggling to move on from the reformation. And you have the cheek to accuse Protestants and Rangers supporters of being sectarian. Look up the meaning of the word, apply it to our apartheid education system and then tell me where I have made my mistake in calling this entire system sectarian. And I still await even a single response to the point I made about Celtic’s original raison d’être … Still waiting, people. Tell me I’m wrong

          • Bruce says:

            I’m afraid of nothing. In fact, I don’t send my children to a catholic school. I know you have this caricature of catholics as brainwashed dimwits – a caricature which says more about your ignorance than about catholics – but it doesn’t even approach reality. When I was a kid, I went to a catholic school but that didn’t stop me from plying with non catholic neighbours. Maybe your parents stopped you from playing with kids of other faiths, that would certainly account for your hatred. Like I said, in this matter I blame the parents not the schools.

            There is no apartheid education system in Scotland. To refer to it as such insults those who suffered under the real thing.

          • Bruce says:

            Oh and ps you are wrong about the founding of Celtic.

        • trueblue says:

          here you go now read it and take it in and say sry like a man seen you think your big enough to open ya big gob and spew out rubbish ……………………..list of catholics who have played for rangers , and after that can you make me alist of jews muslims arabs chinese or any other bloody race you think of who have played for celtic ……………..Catholics who signed for Rangers before Johnston include, before the end of World War I: Pat Lafferty (1886), Tom Dunbar (1891–1892), J Tutty (1899–1900), Archie Kyle (1904–1908), Willie Kivlichan (1906–1907), Colin Mainds (1906–1907), Tom Murray (1907–1908), William Brown (1912), Joe Donnachie (circa.1914–1918) and John Jackson (1917). Thereafter, Catholic players prior to Mo Johnston’s signing include: Laurie Blyth (1951–1952), Don Kitchenbrand (1955–1956), Hugh O’Neill (1976), John Spencer (1985–1992)

        • trueblue says:

          and another thing DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT MOST CATHOLICS WOULD HAVE WANTED TO PLAY FOR RANGERS …OPEN UP YOUR EYES AND GET YOUR BLINKERS OFF ,MOST CATHOLICS WOULD HAVE BEEN SHUNNED BY THEIR OWN IF THEY DID SUCH A THING ..AND AS ONE BIGOT SAID THATS NOT SECTARIAN THATS BEEN OBSERVANT

          • Greg McKellar says:

            I find this sad that we cannot challenge misinfornmation without being criticised and attacked by Celtic fans. I am 100% CONFIDENT. if a neutral reads this that we will come out ok and you lot have shown yourselves to be the bitter twisted judgemental hypocrites.
            I suggest that you go and learn your History as Celtic was founded by Brother Walfrid yes, but then less than 12 months later that was hijacked by two Irishmen who saw the potential and groundswell for MONEY to be made in Association football. They then ILLEGALLY induced 7 Hibernian players with dodgy contracts which caused that club to nearly fold. Not very charitable there is it?
            The center circle sod was laid by one Michael Davitt who went on to be a politician but was a CONVICTED Irish Republican GUNRUNNER who served time for TREASON regarding gun running against the Crown forces………
            So if you wish to bring bigotry and sectarianism into this debate fine. I will point to the thrust of the rebuttals above and below by the majority of Rangers fans to be to the point and it has been the Celtic fans suffering from Rangers compulsive disorder. Why did you feel the need to come on a Thread that had ZERO to do with you to spout about how obsessed and anti Celtic we are? can’t you see the irony there?
            Oh and while we are at it what of the Lisbon Lion Tommy Gemmell in his own words- Lisbon Lion Tommy Gemmell has told how some of his team-mates called him an “Orange b*****d”.

            Hero Gemmell, a Protestant, also claims there were players who wanted to turn Celtic into a Catholics-only club.

            He said he suffered the abuse at the start of his Parkhead career in the early 1960s.

            The star – who scored in Celtic’s European Cup win in 1967 – told how he and fellow defender Ian Young were the only Protestants in the team when he first arrived at the club.

            Gemmell said: “If either of us had a bad game we would get bigoted abuse.

            “Certain other players would say, ‘What do you expect of an Orange b*****d?

            “They would say it directly to you, and they were not having a joke or a laugh.

            “I don’t know why they called an Orange b’, as I had never been in an Orange lodge in my life.

            “A handful of players at the club could have been described as real bigots and they would have liked to see a Celtic side that was 100 per cent Catholic.”

            Gemmell, 61, tells in his new book Lion Heart how he was backed by chairman Sir Robert Kelly and players like Billy McNeill and Steve Chalmers.

            The former full-back – who played more than 400 games for Celtic – said: “I just wanted to go out and play and as I got more experienced more senior players saw I was good for the team and everything became ***ky-dory.

            “But there had been some resentment of me when I first became established.

            “To his credit, the Celtic chairman Sir Bob Kelly was always keen to stress my merits as a player.

            “And guys like Billy McNeill and Steve Chalmers were never bigoted.

            “The bigoted guys had been at the club for a long time, but why they thought the way they did, I don’t know.”

            Grow up and take a long hard look at yourselves Shelvies. YOU are the real shame here.

          • Bruce says:

            We know you’re confident because its in capitals. That makes all the difference.

            Funny thing is, the likes of Greg will tell us that we’re obsessed with his ex club when he’s clearly got more books about Celtic than I have.

            Anyway, to dispose of his substantive point, that Celtic is a club mired in, ahem, hatred of protestants. To prove his point Greg picks the example of Tommy Gemmell, a once promising footballer who went to Celtic but his career was thwarted. He didn’t go on to a great career for the club. He didn’t become a Celtic legend, he didn’t play for the most revered Celtic team ever. All because Celtic hates protestants. We know this because Greg tells us and provides evidence so it must be true. There were other protestants who were involved with Celtic in the 60’s and their careers suffered too. People like Jock Stein, Kenny Dalglish, Danny McGrain. People who never got a chance at Celtic because, as Greg tells us, Celtic hates protestants. Ah, well, our loss.

            Greg, you’re an idiot and a bigot. You’ll be telling us about how the Parkhead floodlights guided Luftwaffe bombers next.

  23. Marky says:

    I’m sorry Alice but I do not believe your article. Since Thomson has come to Glasgow he has made claim after claim, most of which have fizzled away.

    His credibility is gone, as is yours now. But then, like Thomson, I doubt you care about theat given the glee you get from Rangers bashing.

    Its barely believable in modern Britain that journalists can be so lax with the facts. John Simpson wrote that journalists the world over paint the news into good/bad or black/white – and nothing in between. the truth is that the world is far more complex and far more grey. When JS writes about ‘nothing in between’ I suspect he’s referring to ‘between the ears’ of journlists like Alex and Alice.

  24. Douglas Dickie says:

    To add to my previous posts and to clarify I have never been directly threatened by anyone, I was merely pointing out that even local journalists can be seen as fair game in the weird world of Scottish football. I have chucked dozens of abusive letters in the bin (apart from one which takes pride of place on my work wall such is its hilarity) that some of my colleagues felt was intimidating. As for the thread on the Celtic website, it was merely abusive, not threatening.
    I found the whole thing rather bizarre, but some in my line of work felt it was sinister.

    And for Alex Thompson to complain about intimidation after his attempts to interview Kelvin MacKenzie beggars belief frankly

    • Bruce says:

      I think you rather missed the point of Thomson doorstepping Kelvin McKenzie. Don’t worry, though. No one else did.

      • Greg McKellar says:

        Bruce is funny. He tries and fails to use sarcasm and one of his two wits to deflect from the points raised which are easily researched with ltle effort, and tries to label ME a bigot…why exactly is that Bruce? Where did I use bigotry exactly bruce old son? Come on man up as you have called me a bigot in print fOr no reason other you were proved wrong
        You also try and fail miserably to attack my factual interview with one of your own players FFS who has written of sectarian undertones at your club and that established players were for an all catholic only club, yet somehow you have marginalised that by a double negative with sarcasm that would point to Celtic not being bigots. Trouble is one of your own has just said they did so that’s an epic own goal. Great work. You stated ” Greg tells us Celtic hates Protestants……..erm where did I say this or even hint that? Now one of your Lisbon lions stated that- I just reproduced it so again epic fail and you look very petulant and silly with a pn interesting set of interpretational skill that have phasers set to deflect….
        Nazis being guided in by Park head lights??? Clutching at straws much, but hey if you say that’s what happened then why not?
        I note zero reference to the historical Irish terrorist links from foundation and sarcasm given on my research when you are clearly ignorant and are made to look well stupid……sit down and shoosh wee man…..

        • Bruce says:

          No capitals, Greg? You must be chilling out.

          So you produced the Tommy Gemmell because you disagreed with it, did you? I’d call that more than hinting at your absurd belief that Celtic hated protestants.

          I called you a bigot because your obsession with, and hatred of, Celtic shines out of every one of your posts. Apropos of absolutely nothing you started your nonsense about Tommy Gemmell. (That was your factual interview, was it?) It was the sixties, there was a lot of stuff that was acceptable then that isn’t acceptable now. I dare say there were a few guys at Celtic who had a go at Gemmell for being a protestant, but they were clearly a small minority of the people at Celtic. That’s the point of the interview, you numpty. It’s hardly ‘sectarian undertones at the club’ (nice of you to twist Gemmelll’s word) You bring this up to paint Celtic as a club having a problem with protestants whereas the careers of Gemmell, Stein, Dalglish, McGrain and countless other protestants who served Celtic with distinction show it did not. Where are the West of Scotland catholics (pre 89) who were heroes to the Rangers support?

          Someone lays the centre circle sod and that’s somehow conclusive proof of links to terrorists. Is that how desperate you are? (That’s rhetorical, by the way)

          I’ve been made to look ‘well stupid’ have I? Who knew Ali G was a berrrr?

          Still, I’ll concede one point to you, maybe I only have two wits. It still leaves me four times smarter than you.

  25. Greg McKellar says:

    Ian Munro on my super ally rfc fb page has done some great investigative work shooting down alex thomson’s nonsense as fact blog that some branches of waterstones couldn’t display phil 3 names anti rangers book due to threats and actual attacks……..here is the reply and the well put original email from Ian….note the handoff to a complaint manager with the line ” Had another complaint come through about this one. Would you like to reply?” Alex you have been outed with proper fact checking as a liar…..shame shame shame on you. Share away and tell everyone what a charlatan this guy has been PROVEN to be. If only HE had fact checked eh? Greg

    Received this E-mail from Waterstones …Dear Mr Munro

    Thank you for your email.

    While I have received a number of calls and emails regarding Downfall and whether or not Waterstones should stock it, I am not aware of the incidents your mention. Our pooicy is that we will stock any legally available book that we believe there is a market for among our customers, and that we will only remove a title from sale on the advice of the publisher or police.

    Our shops in Scotland have stocked the book since publication and shops have displayed it as appropriate. There was a period shortly after release when stock was low and a reprint was coming, but as I understand it stock levels are now what we would expect, so customers should have no difficulty in finding or purchasing it at Waterstones.

    Best wishes,

    Jon

    Jon Howells
    PR & Brand Communications Manager
    Waterstones

    Tel: 0208 9964385 ………………………..So Mr Thomson may have been telling porkies about Waterstones ..pmsl
    Ian Munro heres the original e-mail I sent …………..—–Original Message—–
    From: Boucher, Adam
    Sent: 15 October 2012 10:45
    To: Howells, Jon
    Subject: Downfall: How Rangers FC Self Destructed

    Hi Jon,

    Had another complaint come through about this one. Would you like to reply?

    CaseID: 625540 12/10/2012 17:08(Inbound email) by Customer

    12/10/2012 17:08:59 ( Inbound email ) by System

    From

    ianmun
    To

    service@waterstones.com

    Subject

    Alex Thomson of Channel 4

    Message

    Dear sir or madam ..I am writing to enquire about a topic that Alex Thomson of channel 4 news brought up today in regards to a book about Glasgow Rangers ..He says that your firm is unable to put it on bookshelfs and I was just wondering why ..this is his actual statement .
    THE BOOKSELLERS

    Those outside Scotland will find this hard to credit, but several shops including major chains like Waterstones and WHS were unable to display the book openly in some shops because of reported threats and actual abuse of staff.

    For selling a work of non-fiction and journalistic enterprise!

    In at least one store copies were ripped up. In another Glasgow shop an angry individual wearing a Union Jack repeatedly entered the bookshop to scream at staff to send the offending tome back to the publishers… Is there any truth in his statement and if so will you be putting out a press release of this ..here is a link to his blog if you wish to read it yourself……….thank you

  26. Robert Deavy says:

    What a poor excuse for an article. Written for the bureau of investigative journalism. Yet no investigation seems to have taken place. Why?. Why are so called journalists afraid to do a bit of digging and uncover the truth?. Do they have no morals left in this country. Chris graham, author of the Rangers standard has done more investigating and digging into these so called threats than most journalists put together. He called waterstones HQ and found the stories behind the so called threats to staff were fantasy. The sun were not threatened, they were contacted by many people voicing their legitimate concerns over the author and blogger and,lets not forget serial Rangers and Protestant hater, phil MacGhiollabhain. The sun, for once looked into these complaints and by their own admission realised he was, and I quote, “Tarred with the brush of sectarianism”. Alex Thomson who is himself the focus of an investigation by the daily mail about the lies he told in Syria and also mocking the death of 66 Rangers fans, not once, but twice. Which needed Channel 4 news bosses at ITN to apologise profusely. He also wrote the foreword for the sectarian bigot’s bookdownfall. Any story he’s claimed to break on the Rangers story has been in circulation for weeks.

    Very disappointed by the quality of truth in this article and Ms Alice K Ross needs to have a serious look at her quality of journalism.

  27. Greg McKellar says:

    Mr Ian Munro on my super ally rfc fb page has done some great investigative work shooting down alex thomson’s nonsense as fact blog that some branches of waterstones couldn’t display phil 3 names anti rangers book due to threats and actual attacks……..here is the reply and the well put original email from Ian….note the handoff to a complaint manager with the line ” Had another complaint come through about this one. Would you like to reply?” Alex you have been outed with proper fact checking as a liar…..shame shame shame on you. Share away and tell everyone what a charlatan this guy has been PROVEN to be. If only HE had fact checked eh? Greg

    Received this E-mail from Waterstones …Dear Mr Munro

    Thank you for your email.

    While I have received a number of calls and emails regarding Downfall and whether or not Waterstones should stock it, I am not aware of the incidents your mention. Our pooicy is that we will stock any legally available book that we believe there is a market for among our customers, and that we will only remove a title from sale on the advice of the publisher or police.

    Our shops in Scotland have stocked the book since publication and shops have displayed it as appropriate. There was a period shortly after release when stock was low and a reprint was coming, but as I understand it stock levels are now what we would expect, so customers should have no difficulty in finding or purchasing it at Waterstones.

    Best wishes,

    Jon

    Jon Howells
    PR & Brand Communications Manager
    Waterstones

    Tel: 0208 9964385 ………………………..So Mr Thomson may have been telling porkies about Waterstones ..pmsl
    Ian Munro heres the original e-mail I sent …………..—–Original Message—–
    From: Boucher, Adam
    Sent: 15 October 2012 10:45
    To: Howells, Jon
    Subject: Downfall: How Rangers FC Self Destructed

    Hi Jon,

    Had another complaint come through about this one. Would you like to reply?

    CaseID: 625540 12/10/2012 17:08(Inbound email) by Customer

    12/10/2012 17:08:59 ( Inbound email ) by System

    From

    ianmun
    To

    service@waterstones.com

    Subject

    Alex Thomson of Channel 4

    Message

    Dear sir or madam ..I am writing to enquire about a topic that Alex Thomson of channel 4 news brought up today in regards to a book about Glasgow Rangers ..He says that your firm is unable to put it on bookshelfs and I was just wondering why ..this is his actual statement .
    THE BOOKSELLERS

    Those outside Scotland will find this hard to credit, but several shops including major chains like Waterstones and WHS were unable to display the book openly in some shops because of reported threats and actual abuse of staff.

    For selling a work of non-fiction and journalistic enterprise!

    In at least one store copies were ripped up. In another Glasgow shop an angry individual wearing a Union Jack repeatedly entered the bookshop to scream at staff to send the offending tome back to the publishers… Is there any truth in his statement and if so will you be putting out a press release of this ..here is a link to his blog if you wish to read it yourself……….thank you

  28. Paul Wilson says:

    Some of these comments are absolutely mental. Obviously an orchestrated campaign by sevco fans…. For so many people to be citing the Sun newspaper as some kind of moral guardian is just incredible…

  29. Mark says:

    This rubbish about Daleks shows you how low The Zombies will go.. i’m a Celtic fan & have been for over 40years & can honestly say i have never heard that term said by any Celtic fan.. Th only people i have heard mention this is X-rangers fans now known as Zombies.. all clubs have some fans that are idiots but this club is up to its neck in hatred, not signing Catholic (or as they would say Taigs) for over 100years still the only club i can think of in the UK that has not signed ANYONE from Rep of Ireland the list goes on & thats before you think of the violence they shown in multiple country’s… but they have reached a new low mocking their own dead… AND FOR A SO Called Scottish Journo(Douglas Dickie) to say thats fair game in Scotland says it all, any club can point out 1 or 2 terrible points, its the quantity of HATE that people cannot understand.. & for the cowards that Scottish Media to cover up as much as they do shows how far Scotland has got to go to catch up civilised society..

    • trueblue says:

      WHO DIDNT SIGN CATHOLICS ???

      • Blue Truth says:

        You’re quite correct a few Catholics were signed prior to Wee Mo – but they had to either lie about their religion or keep it secret. Only when they retired did some of it come out. If you actually know your Rangers history and aren’t just a bigot then you will know exactly who the players are that had to deny their religion to play for Rangers.

    • trueblue says:

      SO WERE ALL ORANGE BS ARE WE OR IN THE MASONS OR ANY OTHER RUBBISH YOU LOT CARE TO CALL US YET YOU TAKE OFFENCE AT WHAT WE CALL YOU ?????

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      Mark, go back up this thread and you’ll find the list of catholic players who have played for Rangers during the 100 year mythical period to which you refer. Regarding Mr Thomson’s mocking of the disaster victims, I didn’t make this up. He blogged it himself on his site. I absolutely accept that neither you, nor the overwhelming, vast majority of right minded Celtic fans would ever descend to this level. I am not having a pop at you. The point I am making is aimed directly at Mr Thomson’s sick mind and addresses his credibility and the credibility of his claims. You also say we are mocking our own dead. I am utterly baffled by that statement. I am rightly offended to my core that Mr Thomson should mock those who died in the disaster. Lastly, I notice that nobody from the Celtic side of the fence has disputed the staement I made about the sectarian origins of your own clubs original charter. Nor, indeed, has anyone excused Mr Thomson mocking the Ibrox disaster dead. So, run along now and come back and see us when you actually know what you’re talking about, instead of just spouting the usual prejudiced claptrap and lies.

      • Blue Truth says:

        The dalek thing was an obscure reference by someone else on a twitter thread and if you go and look at no less an authority on RM you will see how it came about and even RM concluded it had nothing to do with Thomson.

        Just for your information Rangers fans used to call Celtic fans daleks back in the 60/70s. been about for a long time but disappeared I think until the Copland Road bigot blog tried to tie Thomson into it. Probably a bluenose behind the tweet involved because that’s the level you lot operate at.

    • Douglas Dickie says:

      Where have I said it was fair game to mock our own dead?

      Take your time now

    • Betty says:

      Perhaps another way of looking at violent reactions, is to look at players, who played for both teams.

      Conn, Miller and Presley were Rangers players who went on to play for celtic. Apart from the verbal abuse they took on the park when they played against Rangers, that was it.

      Mo Johnston’s decision to go to Rangers however was so bad that he refused to come back to Scotland from Canada where he now lives to play in a veteran’s game, because of fears for his family’s safety and his own life and its over 20 years since he played for us.

  30. Alistair M says:

    A few points:

    1) Lord Nimmo-Smith’s statement regarding the independence of his enquiry was not in response to intimidation by anyone. It was a response to Charles Green’s statement that the SFA and SPL had attempted to strip the award of league titles and cups from Rangers (as part of the deal to see them re-admitted into the Scottish league set-up) before any guilt has been established. The SFL objected to this cart-before-horse form of justice and that is why League Cup wins were not amongst the list of trophies to be stripped. Mr Green understandbly expressed doubt about the subsequently launched enquiry to investigate any wrong-doing (how can the SFA/SPL enquiry be impartial if they have already expressed the desire to impose a punishment prior to the enquiry commencing?) I would have thought that this matter would be of far more interest to an investigative journalist.

    2) The serialisation of Phil MacGiollaBhain’s book was not dropped by The Sun due to intimidation by anyone. It was dropped because it was brought to the publishers attention that MacGiollaBhain is a sectarian bigot with a deep-rooted hatred of Rangers. It is disappointing that Alex Thomson chose to write a forward for this unsavoury character’s book – some of his work (The Incubator, for example) is indefensible.

    3) Ally McCoist’s demand to know the names of the SFA Tribunal members in April was a striaghtforward request for transparency in order to cast light on potential conflicts-of-interest following a bizarre decision – one which was subsequently over-turned in a court of law as the tribunal (which included Lord Nimmo-Smith) had failed to correctly apply the SFA rule-book. The SFA then proceeded to force Rangers to accept the “illegal” punishment as a condition of re-entry into the Scottish League set-up.

    4) While intimidation via social netowrking sites is unacceptable, it is also important to check how serious the offences are by examining police records of the incidents. As far as I am aware none of the incidents mentioned in your article were taken further by the police (including those purported to have taken plce in bookshops as well as those via twitter). I believe your quote that 25 NUJ journalists were threatened comes from Phil MacGiollaBhain – a man who has shown previously that he is prepared to lie and exaggerate in order to discredit Rangers. In fact, Thomson himself has been shown to be guilty of exaggerating the severity of threats when you declared, in a radio interview, that you had been threatened by a Scottish Journalist. It later transpired that the message had been sent from an obvious spoof account and and that the “threat” was that you “needed a slap”. Unsurprisingly the police did not feel this was worthy of further investigation.

  31. Hengist says:

    Well, if anyone is in any doubt as to the veracity of Mr Thomson’s blog, then they need only read the comments here.

    Rangers’ support need to take a long, hard look at themselves. Any exposure of their historic behaviour is met with whataboutery and going on the offensive to try to (at the very least) discredit whoever says it.

    This is exaclty what Mr Thomson originally said.

    As usual, elements of the TRFC support are utterly oblivious to reality. I, for one, hope that Mr Green finally kills off their odious little NewClub by bleeding them dry with his lates “share issue” wheeze. I’ve lost all sympathy.

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      Hengist, point me to one word that I have said on this thread that is offensive or sectarian. I know it’s upsetting to those with another agenda, that Rangers fans now defend themselves against internet warrior lies. We have simply reached the point where we have collectively decided enough is enough. For years, this kind of nonsense was published online and fans of our club just ignored it as “mopery”. However, in today’s Scotland, it seems clear to me that if something is vigorously scrutinised, it runs the risk of being accepted as being the truth and repeated. So, when someone with zero credibility, like Thomson, writes another hate piece about Rangers, why should it surprise you that we correct his mistakes? Additionally, I would hope that I haven’t said one word on here that I wouldn’t be prepared to say directly to the man’s face, or to your face if you wanted. I don’t intimidate people, nor name call. I only present facts and seek to argue my case. That’s not intimidation, it’s informed debate.

    • trueblue says:

      ohh for god sake away you go and change the tune “whataboutery ” really do you realise how pathetic you sound

    • trueblue says:

      so what your saying is weve to take rubbish off people and not say anything back sry mate the worm has turned weve been put down for yrs ,some our fault yes but mostly whats been added on , but were fighting back now dont like it theres simple solution

  32. Kelvin MacKenzie says:

    I was abused and harassed by Alex Thomson on my own doorstep… so how he can have the audacity to criticise reaction of others is actually breathtaking, no one was quick to write about the abuse I suffered at the hands of this man and the Channel 4 editorial team.

  33. Patrick says:

    I am amazed—–the knuckledraggers and No Surrender monkeys are out in force!
    Not only won’t they accept today’s reality that their team is all but gone but some of them are attempting to re-write the social history of Scotland. Are they deaf as in excess of forty thousand of them scream out their vile sectarian and racist songs? Can they not see their ilk polluting the streets of towns and cities across Scotland during the marching season? Are they proud of the fact that there are more Orange parades in Glasgow than in the whole of Northern Ireland? Can any of them explain why cursing the Pope is acceptable?

    These people will never learn tolerance. Their lives are built on hate. Fortunately they will soon become extinct.

    • trueblue says:

      the cursing of the pope lol cmon the guy hides chiLd abuse on a daily basis and funny enough were called protestants get it now we protest against the catholic faith which funny enough during the catholic inquistion wiped out people by their thousands who wouldnt become catholic .. AND YOU LOT TALK ABOUT BIGOTRY AND SECTARIANISM please stop im wetting my self laughing here

    • trueblue says:

      least my lifes not built on being brainwashed since birth

      • Bruce says:

        Oh for crying out loud, what a moronic response from trueblue. In ten words he nails his full prejudice in front of everyone.

    • VoiceofReason says:

      A post full of non-sensical generalisations, insults & then a rhetorical question regarding tolerance, finishing with a desire for a whole people to become extinct. You don’t do irony, do you ? – you know there’s an option open to you. Please take it Patrick.

    • trueblue says:

      and by the way forty thousand lol so you can really count to that many get a life you sad little man IN THAT CASE 40 OR FIFTY THOUSAND OF YOU LOT SING AGAINST THE QUEEN AND BRITAIN AND SPEW YA SHITE OUT YET ABOUT THE IRA .. REALLY SON JOG ON AND GET YA BRAIN IN GEAR

    • Robert Deavy says:

      Brilliant!!!
      This bigot attempts to criticise other absolute right to culture, ten ends it by hoping for genocide.

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      Patrick and Bruce. I have been reading almost all of the posts in this thread and the common feature is that those of a Rangers persuasion are using reasoned, factual arguments. Of course, on come the Celtic minded, again obsessing over any article concerning Rangers, and all the abusive language and name calling begins. It’s your style. Try and drag out a reaction through abusing people and then be the victims. Call us knuckle draggers and no surrender monkeys in the hope that someone will eventually bite and call you a f**ian. Well, it’s not working on this thread so carry on with your low brow attempt to derail this serious discussion about Mr Thomson’s failings as a journalist and we shall continue to behave in a more serious manner. Please, just move along to your own clubs affairs if you don’t have something more than abuse to contribute to this discussion. It’s pathetic and does your club and education system no credit whatsoever.

      • Bruce says:

        You really are a loon, aren’t you? There are no reasoned factual arguments from the sevcovians here, just absurd unsubstantiated assertions. Like your lie about daleks. Care to provide proof that he called Rangers supporters daleks? That’s an integral part of reasoned factual argument and you fail dismally.

        But, in your later comments about wanting us to ‘go home’, you show yourself up not just as a bigot but as a racist.

        You can’t help yourself, can you?

  34. kennypw says:

    I feel so sad for anyone who has faced threats of violence or intimidation regarding this whole issue. All instances must be reported to the Police where, I am sure, they will be dealt with in the appropriately.
    Decent followers of football must stand above these threats and get back to following their team.

  35. Stefano says:

    A response top every single point raised in the entire article can be found here: http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/articles/current-affairs/174-threats-damned-threats-and-lies-a-response-to-alex-thomson

    I feel sorry for Alex Thomson, he fell into the wrong company when he went to Glasgow and has been digging a very deep hole for himself ever since.

  36. daviec says:

    What a piece of junk.
    Another example of lazy journalism.
    All Ms Ross has done is to take Mr Thomsons’ already poor , unfounded., badly researched work , and just repeat it word for word.
    He has already levelled accusations of physical threats made against him on more than one occasion none of which were found to be true – check out what Strathclyde Police had to say about it.
    If Ms Ross had done her job properly she would have known that ,in fact, Mr Thomson has been following in the footsteps of Phil McGillivan(Or any number of nom de plume he chooses to go by) , the Irish ‘Blogger’ whose hatred of Rangers is matched only by the bigotry of his posts written about them. His book exposes his deep rooted hatred of Rangers not only as a Fottball Club but as an institution.
    This is a man described by one Journalist based in the R.O.I. as a ‘Tactictal Bigot.’ –
    Mr Thomson has been inept in his output as well as lazy because he has decided that Phil Whatever- his- name- is is a fit and proper person to be using for copy, when in fact the Sun saw through his book and quickly withdrew their serialisation.
    They went so far as to admit they had been mistaken and pointed out that, in fact, Mr Thomsons’ endorsment was also mistaken.

    While we are clearing things up here , perhaps Ms Ross could investigate Alex Thomsons’ desecration of the memorial to the 66 souls who died in the Ibrox Disaster, and his attempts to make humour of their deaths.
    Note that this has happened not once but in two seperate attempts.

    Do your job properly Ms Ross and check your source before repeating their words. – or are you Alex Thomson by another name?

  37. Patrick says:

    Trueblue/voiceofReason

    When I read your semi-literate responses it makes me think it might have done you good to have attended the same type of school as I did. At least there I was taught your Queen’s English and the ability to think for myself.

    • VoiceofReason says:

      What kind of school would that be?
      Obviously not one that was big on punctuation, & assuming it was of the apartheid RC version, certainly not one that granted you the ability to think for yourself. As I said, you really don’t do irony.
      Never mind Patrick, at least you have your Irish name to cling onto.
      Seriously though, you are free to head ‘home’, I’ll even buy you the one-way ticket.

      • Patrick says:

        A comma before and in a lesson on punctuation!

        Proves my point.

        • VoiceofReason says:

          You’re really not making any sense at all Patrick.
          Please take up my offer. You know you’ll be happier at ‘home’.

          • Patrick says:

            .You should not put a comma before and in a sentence. Primary three at my school probably fifth year at yours and you had left by then.

          • Bruce says:

            And here the bigot exposes his true nature once again, Home, you say? We are home. And it gnaws at your being.

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      Is this the level of debate we’re going to have on here? Patrick, you’re making my point for me. If you have nothing to contribute to a serious debate on a serious subject, other than abuse and tit for tat name calling, move along somewhere else. Kerrydale Street would seem to be a site better suited to a man of your intellectual standing

  38. Gaz says:

    Obsessed does not cover it, every single article about Rangers Celtic “fans” appear. They claim to not care about us yet every single article or youtube video they spout their bile. The are trying to claim some sort of moral high ground as well, this is a support who has amongst other things thrown bananas at black players, attacked referees and players when thngs go against them. Some sick people even set up a facebook page about Nacho Novo’s infant baby and what they would do to it.

    But of course the big bad supporters of Rangers are much worse…….

  39. Mark Walters says:

    This Alex Thomson the same guy who twice mocked the Ibrox disaster then hilariously had the gall to doorstep K McKenzie and claim he was assaulted by him when video evidence suggests the exact opposite? It’s clearly apparent that the bold Tomo hasn’t an idea what the word ‘assault’ means so I’d question whether or not he can recognise a threat or not…. he has after all already wasted police time and comically revealed a threat live on radio that was clearly from a parody account on twitter.

    Its heartening to see the mentally unhinged that make up the Celtic faithful swarm over yet another comments section in an article where we are the focus, Clearly the obsession transcends erm companies, sorry clubs.

    Wooooooooooooooooo

  40. Derek Crookston says:

    Good to see that this thread has a good deal of articulate responses from those defending Rangers Football Club.

    Also laughable to see the bitterness of other posts – mainly anti-RFC I have to say. A small sample of the hatred and jealousy which Rangers are facing down on a daily basis.

    Keep up the fight.

    #theonlyshowintown

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      You’re right on the money here, Derek. This type of low brow deluge of hatred is what happens every time there is a story about Rangers. Celtic fans are quite evidently utterly obsessed with Rangers and it seems to be really getting up their noses that many of us now make the time to counter the utter bile, lies and sectarianism that is maliciously spread around the Internet by Celtic Minded people. I genuinely wish they could turn their rapier like wits and intellect to looking a little more closely at the problems that exist and have existed within their own club, rather than obsessing over us.

  41. James says:

    Oh dear, did Alex write this himself. Seems very one sided.

  42. Patrick says:

    ” a good deal of articulate responses”——-you must have gone to the same school as Trueblue! It is your Queen’s English you are using please treat it with respect.

    Incidentally if you’re talking to him tell him Protestant is spelt with a capital P and ask him when he last attended church.

    • Thetruthwillout says:

      There is a full stop after “using” and a capital P at the beginning of a new sentence. God Lord, Patrick. Is this it? Is this what you feel forms a meaningful and constructive debate? I’ve seen enough. You and your obsessive friends have succeeded. You have reduced this thread to a petty school yard bicker. This is why the Daily Record had to suspend comments on their football articles about Rangers. The articles were swamped with obsessed comments from Celtic fans abusing and deflecting from the facts, as usual. So, I have seen enough and I am sure the readers in England have too. The quality of debate coming from your side on this matter is very poor. In fact, it’s ridiculous to call it a debate. My last word on the subject (I shall not be returning in the hope of seeing an answer). I still await even one person to tell me why I am mistaken about Celtic’s original charter being formed on the sectarian premise of preventing catholic children from being badly influenced by Protestant charity workers who were providing them with food in Glasgow through soup kitchens and other charitable works. Whilst I’m in this territory, it might also be useful if someone from the Celtic minded side could post the name of any Protestant director who has ever held office at Celtic Football Club. I’m pretty sure none existed before McCann reformed the new company, but I may be wrong and don’t know the situation since then. Have a nice evening children. I wish I could tell you it has been a pleasure.

      • Patrick says:

        Your pathetic attempt at re-writing the history of Celtic football club is risible

        What is really despicable though is your attempt to dress up bigotry and sectarianism as some sort of noble cause. You are clearly at least semi-educated. Why do you align yourself with Trueblue and others of that ilk?

        Are you really under the delusion that this makes you superior to people who share my background?

        • Bruce says:

          Not half as pathetic as his attempt at rewriting the history of his own club!

        • thetruthwillout says:

          still waiting for an answer … why won’t anyone tell me I’m wrong about Celtic’s original charter including the statement that the purpose was to keep young catholic men and women away from the harmful influences of protestants ??? That was when sectarianism began in this city and it continues to this day. Now then, now then, internet warriors, I said sectarianism, not bigotry. Try and appreciate the difference before you go making fools of yourselves … Also still waiting for the names of those directors. Hmmm … thought so …. it’ll be a long wait …

          • Bruce says:

            Young catholics were denied equal opportunity in education and employment before Celtic was founded. That’s sectarianism and bigotry.

  43. trevor says:

    I will start to take Alex seriously when he starts telling the truth in his stories.

    Strangely it seems that many of his stories are starting to be looked at and holes are appearing in many of them.

    The claims that Waterstones were threatened and booked were pulled has shown to be false – confirmed by Waterstones themselves. The claim that he was set up in Libya is doubted by The Daily Telegrapgh. His ever changing “facts” about his first visit to Ibrox and the many different stands he claimed to have been in.

    Strangely many of his “exclusives” on the Rangers story have been old and previously reported elsewhere – can we buy him a dictionary?

    Moving on, lets list the threats from Celtc fans towards officials and the likes going back to the hiring of private detectives to follow referees and causing the infamous referee strike. On the other hand, there isnt enough space….

    I will take Alex seriously the day DFS stop having a sale.

  44. Gogs says:

    Brucie bhoy. Many, many journalists have been threatened in Scotland, it’s the nature of their job i guess but hey! guess what ? Only 2 journalists have ever been subjected to actual violence. Guess which club they’re attached to?

    Clue……They don’t play in blue.

  45. John Paul Declan says:

    You have to laugh at some of these comments.

    Given that these are the comments which have been permitted to appear, it appears likely that the stance taken by the author of this article can be verified by the comments received.

  46. balanced says:

    once again the obvious blatant fantasist is at again. i cannot believe that people can actually take serious anymore anything that comes out of this mans mouth or from his pen. alex thomson with each passing day becomes more ridiculous. from his rantings to be being threatned, and how ridiculous he sounded on radio when he had his chamberlain moment, here is the proof, and you could palpably feel hugh keevins embarasment, to his naive even sensationalist fantasies about his near death experience in syria. the only thing alex does well or excells in is his complete lack of facts or even basic reporting of confirmination.

    does alex really expect us to believe that broxi bear burst into waterstones or wh smiths wearing/ carrying an union jack to stop people buying downfall????. does he expect us to believe that people are trying to stop this book being read? alex no one cares my friend, and that is the truth.

    again and i feel i must highlight this absurd thought process that this book is a best seller. alex i see has slightly dilluted his previous thinking on this. at first alex said it was a best seller, now he has it down as a fast one!!!. through the process of propaganda, i read many times that this book downfall was a best seller. i even read on the publishers twitter account that one month after its release he is cliaming that downfall is number 583 on amazons best sellers. deary deary me. one month after it was released it is down to 583 in amazons best sellers and that with a foreward from a truly great journalist alex thomson!!!.

    alex, try dealing with facts, then report then, then write them down, then publish them, basic stuff. not quote broxi bear wearing/carrying a union jack stopping people buying a book, and then when asked were this happened turn round and say you obviously cant reveal this. the man you say you hate mr mackenzie you are unfortunately morphing into

  47. balanced says:

    as a footnote i would also like to add, that in anything and any story alex thomson covers he turns out to be the hero in everyone!!!

    syria is in the midst of civil war and our hero goes to report on a disaster of astronomical human proportions and what comes out as the main headline? yes you have guessed it the reporter becomes the hero!!! they try to kill him. poor in the extreme alex. just report my friend.

    our hero comes up to war torn glasgow to report on the rangers story. what happens? oh yes the pattern is emerging, the hero is threatned again!!! broxi bear stops the sales of the heros favourite book he forwarded!!!

    john wayne will never be dead as long as alex is around. im not to sure how to describe alex because i dont know if he is wyatt earp or john wayne or is it billy the kid? maybe pat garret?

  48. balanced says:

    not to metion the fight for justice for the hillsbourough disaster. again instead of getting to the heart of the matter and finding justice for the relatives, john wayne (no sorry alex thomson) comes wading in with all the tact of a baby elephant, and steals the limelight!! the focus not on the relatives fight for justice but the bold brave alex!!

    as i said anything this man touches he becomes the instant hero, the central focus of every story, and the real story becomes lost to alex’s lust for attention.

  49. balanced says:

    urgent warning alert!!! beware glasgow, comming to a waterstones/wh smiths near you, broxi bear dressed in an union jack/ carrying a union jack, to prevent people buying the wonderfull, truthfull, insightfull, book, by one of the worlds greatest journalists mr phil mac giolla bhain!!!

    it really is becomming more difficult to describe the absurd mr alex thomson. were do you start? i mean does alex in this day and age when every man, woman and dog has mobile phone with a camera expect us rationale creatures to believe that someone dressed/carrying a union jack burst into a book store and prevented people buying downfall??

    alex are you for real? this is becomming comical, farcial, sublime and you are turning journalism into the beano. with your complete lack of facts and labelling you are turning/morphing into the the man you doorstepped. is kelvin mackenzie being resurrected by channel four?

  50. True blue says:

    What apile of crap and this twitter thing any one can go on alaptop and say they are a rangers fan and hurl abuse at any1……..heres an example….old firm derby the ref got hit with a coin from arangers fan……BUT it was then found out this so called rangers fan wearing a rangers strip WAS IN FACT A CELTIC FAN……pure fact.

  51. Lu Xun says:

    It’s genuinely surprising, not to say worrying, that Thompson’s propaganda has been picked up by another media outlet. Because, written on the premise that if you repeat a lie often enough it might become accepted truth, his blog most certainly is propaganda, aimed at continuing to demonise one club’s support. Why? Possibly because he’s been put out by the Sun’s decision not to serialise a book on Rangers written by a Celtic fan who has himself a recorded history of seeking to dehumanise Rangers fans, and to which Thompson wrote a foreword. Thompson seems unwilling to accept that the Sun’s decision was based not on threats but on complaints about the dubious character of said author. It can only be hoped that neutrals will see that the caricaturing of Rangers supporters says more about those responsible for it than about their chosen target.

  52. Paul says:

    How to lose credibility as a journalist by Alex Thomson. I’m sure no one twisted his arm to write the foreword to a book written by a vile sectarian bigot, yet he now appears to be surprised that he’s embroiled in a war of words in a country that has unfortunately carried religious overtones for many years. Rather than pushing this stuff out in blogs across the internet in search of attention, if he or anyone else has received threats, then they’d be far better served going straight to the Police. An awful lot of fuss about very little.

    • thetruthwillout says:

      He has been to the police, Paul. They investigated his “claims” on two previous occasions. They found “no evidence” of any threats. The man is a discredited, attention seeking buffoon who has aligned himself with a publicly discreditied sectarian biigot who (and I quote The Sun here) is tarred with the sectarian brush. As you say, though, Paul. Just hand it over to the proper Police authorities and let them investigate properly.

      • Bruce says:

        It makes me laugh to see Sevcovians say ‘and I quote The Sun here’.

        • Mark Falconer says:

          What’s a Sevconian?
          Bruce – isn’t it funnier that The Sun found it morally unable to publish?

          • Bruce says:

            There is very little that the Sun is ‘morally unable’ to do. If you think The Sun has morals you should pay more attention.

    • Bruce says:

      A balanced view? That’s as funny as ‘I quote from The Sun…’

      • Mark Falconer says:

        Bruce – anything there that you have an issue with?
        Notice actual quotes and references rather than ‘made up’ items?

      • Bruce says:

        Sorry guys but you lost me at –

        ‘We don’t engage in speculation, we deal in facts. It is a fact that there is now an element within the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) who are working to the clear agenda of trying to damage the reputation of Rangers, and Rangers fans, as much as they can.’

        That is precisely speculation and opinion, not fact.

        As soon as I read that sentence it was no surprise that Chris Graham was involved.

        • Mark Falconer says:

          They follow that with examples to priove that fact – what are you struggling with? Read the article, then comment.

          • Bruce says:

            I have read the article. It was the usual turgid Chris Graham nonsense. Actually thin on fact but heavy on tenuously drawn connections, innuendo and speculation. Graham, as usual, tries to take the man. Quelle surprise.

            Out of curiosity – after Manchester, multiple attacks on Neil Lennon, and convictions of the guilty parties, multiple large scale tax scams, administration and liquidation, do you think the NUJ is doing more to damage the reputation of Rangers and Rangers fans than they’ve done themselves? I mean, seriously, what reputation?

          • Mark Falconer says:

            Bruce – seriously, where are your delusions coming from? Manchester was a triumph for Rangers fans – hence why we were immediately invited back. What convictions for multiple attacks on Lennon (see attacks & threats on Novo & McCoist for balance).
            Multiple large scale tax scams – what evidence? what convictions? NONE.
            Administration and liquidation is all too common in these tough economic times (for balance see the news every day!).
            Football fans come from all walks of life, and for every instance where a fan of one side has crossed the line, there are instances where fans of another side has done the same (or similar). Always sad when it happens.
            Take your green-tinted specs off and see the light.

  53. Bruce says:

    Oh, Mark, this is too easy.

    ‘Manchester was a triumph for Rangers fans – hence why we were immediately invited back’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/7973814/Rangers-fans-face-stringent-security-measures-for-Manchester-United-Champions-League-trip.html

    Next time you played in Manchester you had an alcohol ban and a police escort from Wigan to Old Trafford. That’s how much you were welcomed back. A triumph indeed.

    IIRC you also had a friendly in the NE cancelled shortly after too.

    ‘What convictions for multiple attacks on Lennon (see attacks & threats on Novo & McCoist for balance).’

    I’m not talking threats. I’m talking actual attempts to harm Neil Lennon. Like –

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pair-convicted-of-plot-to-assault-celtic-manager-neil-lennon-7603860.html

    And –

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/drugs-crime-past-of-thugs-who-1005774

    And –

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3664113.stm

    And –

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3113086.stm

    What has happened to Novo or McCoist that comes close to any of this.

    ‘Multiple large scale tax scams – what evidence?’

    Errr, do I really need to?

    Okay, the Wee Tax Case – where Rangers cheated HMRC out of millions. Rangers, before it went into liquidation, didn’t even dispute it.

    Last year when Rangers stole £15 Million of its staff PAYE and NI.

    Take off your blue tinted specs and see that whatabootery won’t wash anymore. Nor will lying.

    • Bruce says:

      A retraction – apparently Greater Manchester Police cancelled Rangers visit to Bolton before 2008.

      Who knew they employed psychics?

  54. Patrick says:

    “invited back to Manchester”!

    You are making this up aren’t you? You lot are on the point of being unwelcome in the country of your birth.

    Why don’t you all grow up and abandon the sectarianism, racism and bigotry. Or is the situation that you can’t live without something to hate?

    • Bruce says:

      He is making it up. I have a point by point rebuttal posted, including links, which is awaiting moderation.

      It exposes his comment as an absurd collection of lies.

  55. balanced says:

    the funny thing is mark/patrick manchester was bombed by irish terrorists and people lost their lives. now if im not mistaken celtic supporters( and not just a wee minority) sing pro ira (irish terrorists who killed in manchester). if you are so concerned about the people of manchester and the city then maybe you can ask even moralise the celtic support to desist from such blatant hate filled songs which glorify a band of cut throats who killed children by the hundreads and mothers by the hundreads.

    • Bruce says:

      There’s very few songs directly about the provisional IRA sang by the Celtic support anymore. There is a big difference between singing about trashing Manchester and actually trashing Manchester. And then claiming the latter was a triumph as Mark whatsisname does.

  56. Dilly Bodds says:

    “they [Rangers] are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist.” Ian Archer 1972.

    Does anything ever change?

  57. balanced says:

    Dilly Bodds

    does that include celtic and its supporters who regularly sing to the glorification of irish terrorists, who murdered men women and children?

  58. Lu Xun says:

    In answer to Silly Bod’s question, ‘Does anything ever change?’ – yes, it does. There are elements within Scotland who do not want change, however, hence their continued efforts to portray Rangers and the club’s fans negatively. ‘Youse don’t sign Kaffliks’ used to be the refrain. When we did, the complaint changed to, ‘But youse don’t sign West of Scotland Kaffliks’. When we signed Mo Johnston – whose religion, incidentally, is probably a result of the Catholic Church’s stipulation that children of a mixed marriage ought to be brought up in the Roma faith, but we’ll leave the debate on what sectarianism truly means to another day – Celtic fans issued death threats and beat up his father in the street. I could go on with the ‘whataboutery’, but suffice it to be reiterated here that certain parties outwith Rangers do not want change. Why? Because to take the hate away and see Rangers as anything other ‘huns’ would see their own identity crumble.

    • Patrick says:

      What nonsensical tripe!

      I personally and thousands of others would not care if this club disappeared.. I have had enough of their bigotry, racism and sectarianism. It would be no bad thing if they took the Loyal Orange Order with them .

      Respect for other people’s culture and religion might then take root and Scotland could drag itself into the 21st century.

  59. balanced says:

    Patrick

    October 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    What nonsensical tripe!

    I personally and thousands of others would not care if this club disappeared.. I have had enough of their bigotry, racism and sectarianism. It would be no bad thing if they took the Loyal Orange Order with them .

    Respect for other people’s culture and religion might then take root and Scotland could drag itself into the 21st century.
    i think everybody echos that thought patrick, unfortunately to many celtic supporters have all the traits you seem to despise and deplore. i tried to post on here visible and audible proof easily got from you tube but the modertors would not allow it, i wonder why, on celtic supporters bigotry hate and blatant support for irish terrorists cut throat murderers, and not as bruce claims only a minority. but hey if you are going claim all the above for rangers supporters how about listening to the vile secterianism from your own we club. when you do and come out with sensible critisms then we maybe will be able to listen to you

    • Bruce says:

      Garbage, it is only a minority that sing songs about the Provisional IRA. Conveniently the mod’s won’t let you post your ‘proof’?

      Maybe when you pull your head out of your backside you might hear what you’re being told.

      • balanced says:

        garbage bruce? you for real? tell you what go to you tube type celtic supporters singing ira songs in manchester, manchester of all places were the terrorist cut throats murdered innocent people, now in the clips you can click on which are multiple you will see thousands (not a wee minority) glorify these cut throat secterian hate gangs. type in celtic singing cheer up walter smith and you will visibly and audibly see and hear thousands upon thousands of celtic supporters telling walter a sad orange b. now my post is still being moderated with the clips on it so hopefully if your to lazy or blind to do what i have said then the moderator will let you see what i think you already know you most blind defender of a vile support who glorify cut throats

        • Bruce says:

          Who said I support the IRA. I don’t. And I never said I did. Its just your sick fantasy that all Celtic supporters do.

          Calling the cardigan a sad orange bastard might be distasteful but its hardly ‘blatant support for irish terrorists cut throat murderers’.

          And suggesting that singing about trashing Manchester is as bad as actually trashing Manchester is comical.

          • balanced says:

            bruce go and see on you tube just how many celtic supporters sing to the glorification of these secterian murder gangs. i never once said you personally support these murder gangs but to say that its only a few celtic supporters who do is being very disingenious. as for calling walter a sad orange b well my goodness you really down play the blatant secterian hatred and vile attack on the protestant religion and thus exposing the plain religious intolerance by a great many of the celtic support. its vile bruce and completely undefendable

          • Bruce says:

            ‘now my post is still being moderated with the clips on it so hopefully if your to lazy or blind to do what i have said then the moderator will let you see what i think you already know you most blind defender of a vile support who glorify cut throats’

            That is precisely you accusing me of personally supporting the IRA.

            I’ve seen many of these clips on youtube and they’re still a small minority. Where’s the attack on the protestant religion? Is the Orange order now the protestant religion? Is it even a religion?

            The vast majority of the Celtic support is extremely tolerant of the religion of others. There was one song which explicitly referred to protestants, but that’s disappeared in the last ten years. Even the add ons have largely disappeared. There is no equivalent from the Celtic support to ‘No Pope Of Rome’, or ‘The Billy Boys’ or ‘The Famine (actually The Racist) Song.’

            No doubt you’ll chirp back with claiming ‘The Boys Of The Old Brigade’ and ‘The Soldier Song’ are sectarian. So, singing the national anthem of a friendly, neighbouring country with which our club and community has strong ties is sectarian? The Queen laid a wreath in tribute to the BOTOB recently. Is she sectarian?

            You and the likes of Betty come close to one neat trick though. You nearly deflect from the behaviour of your old club and its support. But no one’s fooled.

  60. balanced says:

    as for manchester bruce those that sing pro ira songs glorify the monsters who killed in mancheste rand on you tube you will find that celtic supporters sung to the glorification of these murderers in the very place were they murdered innocent people. now is the damage of property worse than the loss of life bruce?

    • Bruce says:

      You know, the more you lose the plot, the worse your typing and grammar gets.

      • Patrick says:

        Bruce

        how right you are,

        Can you imagine what it must be like trying to have a conversation with the likes of “balanced” ?

        The patter on their buses must be brilliant as they travel to Dumfries, Montrose and Peterhead!

  61. Dilly Bodds says:

    Bruce Patrick

    well done.

    looks like you’ve achieved the Silence of the Huns.

    Hail! Hail!

  62. Patrick says:

    Sadly ?

    Actually I’m looking forward to it or more accurately hearing what’s going to make them squeal.

    • Bruce says:

      It’ll be funny for a few moments, then it’ll get extremely annoying. The squealing, that is. The FTT decision will be extraordinary!

  63. Liam says:

    OK read first few bits then stopped the lies were just to much to take.

    OK here we go for the Unwashed who need to be told something a few times before it sinks in.

    1: Shops never refused the book and their were no threats.

    2:The sun did not stop the articles because of Rangers fans they stopped it because the found out who wrote it, the Book itself is not the problem the problem is with the Bigot who wrote it.

    3:Thomsons so called threat was made by a celtic supporter who made a Twitter account using the name Leggo in it.

    Now I don’t really see where celtic supporters has the problem understanding this.

    IMHO I believe this is proof that catholic only shools fail.

    • Bruce says:

      Jeez.

      1 – You know this for sure? You’re in the trade? Or you read it in Follow Follow?

      2 – Stop before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. So you’re saying The Sun bought serialisation rights to a book about the death of Rangers and didn’t know who wrote it? Really? In the goldfish bowl of Scottish newspapers, where they really do all know each other, The Sun didn’t know all about the most high profile blogger/journalist covering the death of Rangers, a journalist who’s had several pieces published by News International’s papers. Face it, The Sun crumbled under threats from the Sevco support.

      And a lovely little bit of bigotry thrown in at the end. Love the way you celebrate the educational failings of Catholic schools with a basic spelling mistake.

      I’m guessing Liam’s not really your name.

  64. BertieChap says:

    Repeat ad infinitum in a thunderous Ian Paisley type voice – “Charles Green was not subjected to death threats by Rangers fans. It was probably Celtic fans.” and believe it.

    But that’s what the Rangers fans said about the bombs sent to Lennon. It was probably Celtic fans trying to get the Rangers fans a bad name. lol.

    These ‘tards will point the finger at everyone and accept nothing is their fault.

  65. BertieChap says:

    Oh Betty, Betty, Betty. You’re not THE Betty are you by any chance?

    It would appear that the British, Unionist and Loyalist establishment has been covering up paedophile rings at Downing Street.
    Britishness, Unionism and Loyalism are implicated in this heinous cover up and it’s surely worse that the B, U, L, establishment covered this up and allowed it free reign to abuse others.

    ===

    THERE is “clear intelligence” suggesting a historic paedophile ring may be linked to Downing Street and a former prime minister, MPs were told today.

    • Labour MP Tom Watson has suggested a historic link exists between a paedophile ring and No 10 Downing Street

    • Mr Watson urges police action to follow intelligence that implicates senior aide to a former Prime Minister

    Labour MP Tom Watson alleged a member of a notorious group was connected to a former No 10 aide.

    He said: “The evidence file used to convict Peter Righton, if it still exists, contains clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring.

    “One of its members boasts of his links to a senior aide of a former prime minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad.

    “The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10.”

    Speaking at Prime Minister’s questions in the Commons, David Cameron said it was a “very difficult and complex case” and he was “not entirely sure” to which former prime minister Mr Watson was referring.

    The Prime Minister said he would look at the case “very carefully and see what the Government can do to help give” Mr Watson the assurances he wanted.

  66. BertieChap says:

    Betty, Betty, Betty. The British, Unionist and Loyalist establishment are very adept at covering up these sort of things…

    http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

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